emmetttrudy Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 Trying to determine if an HCE is eligible for a distribution as of 11/1/2011. We have the FT. TNC and FT of the individual participant as of the most recent valuation date, 1/1/2011. Is the correct methodology to take the 1/1 numbers and increase them for 10 months at the plans effective interest rate to come up with an estimated 11/1/2011 liability? And is the total liability you compare to the assets the FT + TNC, or just the FT? Once I increase the plan's FT, TNC, and participant's FT with the EIR, then: Contribution Required to Pass Test = 110%(FT + TNC - Participant's FT) - Assets + (PVAB of Participant)
Effen Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 As far as I know there is no defined methodology, in fact the regs still reference "current liability" which no longer exists. I think the critical thing is that the plan is (or is expected to be) at least 110% funded after the distribution. The safest thing would be to estimate the EOY FT and EOY assets, both after the payout, and make sure the projected assets are 110% of the projected FT, but I don't think that is the only valid test. It would probably be safest if the ER committed to making sure the plan was actually 110% at the EOY, but I don't think that is required either. In other words, if your current "reasonable, good faith" projection shows the plan will be 110% funded after the payout, but when the EOY actually comes it is only 105% funded, I don't think that is necessarily a problem, however if the ER makes a contribution to bring it up to 110%, then it would obviously be fine. I assume it is a typo, but shouldn't the last term of your equation be "Assets - (PVAB of Participant)", not +. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
Andy the Actuary Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 Agree with Effen -- no prescribed IRS methodology. Just (1) see what the plan says and (2) apply whatever method used uniformly and consistently. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
david rigby Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 Agree. I think there is a Gray Book Q&A on this issue. As best I can recall, it opines that FT or CL is a valid basis for the test. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
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