AndyH Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Takeover plan does not expressly state that benefits that don't start until after age 65 for a vested term are actuarially increased. Plan does have Suspension of Benefits provision for active or reemployed retirees. It says nothing about vested terms. Plan states that benefits are "available" for a vested term at NRA age 65. I see this "SOB for actives only" fairly often, and usually there is no retroactive annuity start date language. I assume that we are required to provide an actuarial increase if no relevant SOB type notices have been provided to vested terms once they approach age 65 - anybody disagree? Why don't plan documents typically address this? I have seen many from different sources that ignore this issue as it applies to vested terms. Comments?
david rigby Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 I assume that we are required to provide an actuarial increase if no relevant SOB type notices have been provided to vested terms once they approach age 65?That's my understanding.Why don't plan documents typically address this?Sloppy? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
AndyH Posted October 22, 2012 Author Posted October 22, 2012 Thanks for the feedback. Looking at the DOL regulation 2530.203-3 for the first time in a while, now I am thinking that issuing a SOB notice to a vested term is irrelevant since they have no "section 203(a)(3)(B) service", i.e. "suspendible service". So that leaves only the document question I think.
Andy the Actuary Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Dear Andy the Other: Have faced this situation many times on take over cases. I argue that the TVs must be given actuarial increase because the Plan cannot forfeit benefits due to increase in age. 1.411(b)-1(d)(3) The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
AndyH Posted October 22, 2012 Author Posted October 22, 2012 I'll buy that as a second argument. Thanks!
Effen Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 Jim Holland wrote a nice article about this in the most recent ASPPA quarterly. Basically Jim agrees with everything posted, but it might be helpful to read the article. I agree that you can't suspend a terminated participant because they are working in "suspendable service". If your plan does not provide for an actuarial rollup, or a retro-active payment, you may need to prepare a VCP filing to correct the problem. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
AndyH Posted October 23, 2012 Author Posted October 23, 2012 Thanks for the additional info Effen. I'll look for that.
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