dmwe Posted December 2, 2016 Posted December 2, 2016 Would it be in violation of any rules to offer a gift card to former employees who still have money in the Plan incenting them to roll out so that Plan participant count drops below 100 and they can avoid an audit?
Peter Gulia Posted December 2, 2016 Posted December 2, 2016 Has the employer tried charging nonemployee participants' accounts their proportionate share of the plan-administration expenses? Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
dmwe Posted December 2, 2016 Author Posted December 2, 2016 Participants pay administration fees but I think the Company pays for the 5500 audit so it's in their best interest to get below 100 employees and avoid an audit.
david rigby Posted December 2, 2016 Posted December 2, 2016 Any of the accounts below $1,000 (or whatever the mandatory cash-out limit in the plan)? Also possible some of these ex-EEs have forgotten about it? Perhaps a friendly reminder letter? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
My 2 cents Posted December 2, 2016 Posted December 2, 2016 Good luck on finding everyone! Always check with your actuary first!
dmwe Posted December 2, 2016 Author Posted December 2, 2016 This would be balance over $5,000 that they want out of the Plan to get their numbers down. It appears that they've been offered a $250 gift card incentive to move out of the Plan.
NJ Mike Posted December 2, 2016 Posted December 2, 2016 Does the participant get to choose which store or sponsor the gift card is from?
Peter Gulia Posted December 2, 2016 Posted December 2, 2016 Has the employer considered charging nonemployee participants' accounts their proportionate share of all plan-administration expenses, including the fees and expenses of the independent qualified public accountant? Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
My 2 cents Posted December 2, 2016 Posted December 2, 2016 Has the employer considered charging nonemployee participants' accounts their proportionate share of all plan-administration expenses, including the fees and expenses of the independent qualified public accountant? [semi-satirical comment] Would the selection of the independent qualified public accountant then be a fiduciary action, subject to litigation if the fees were higher than those of some other accountants? Always check with your actuary first!
dmwe Posted December 2, 2016 Author Posted December 2, 2016 Gift cards are all from one company/store.
david rigby Posted December 2, 2016 Posted December 2, 2016 Gift cards are all from one company/store. ...which may have limited "incentive" if significant number of participants don't, or cannot, access that store. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
GMK Posted December 2, 2016 Posted December 2, 2016 About the time they receive their account statements, send a reminder letter of how much in plan administration fees they're paying by not rolling out. Not paying administration fees is a gift card that keeps giving.
jpod Posted December 2, 2016 Posted December 2, 2016 I can't think of anything wrong with that kind of incentive, but I'm not commenting on that. If employer is so concerned about this, consider splitting the plan into two plans, each of which will have well under 100 participants. I know the DOL has made some noises about this possibly not working, but there is no legal basis for that position.
dmwe Posted December 2, 2016 Author Posted December 2, 2016 The root of the question is whether or not this would be some sort of prohibited transaction or run afoul of any distribution rules.
QDROphile Posted December 2, 2016 Posted December 2, 2016 Is the gift card taxable income? It is not a gift. How is it being reported.? hr for me 1
Peter Gulia Posted December 3, 2016 Posted December 3, 2016 An administrator's selection of an independent qualified public accountant is a fiduciary decision (even when the plan does not pay the IQPA's fee). If all or some of the IQPA's fee will be charged against participants' accounts, an administrator should consider the relation of the IQPA's services and fee to incur no more than a prudent expense. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
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