Jakyasar Posted August 24, 2023 Posted August 24, 2023 If this was discussed before, my apologies. This is unchartered territory for me. Helping a CPA friend. For a new db plan effective 1/1/2022 that is still not adopted as of today. One of his clients deposited 200k into an account by 4/18/2023 and filed the 2022 tax return without an extension. I do not understand how the broker accepted this deposit without an executed plan/trust document. This client's actuary either never told him about the document deadline or did not do it or dropped the ball or there was a miscommunication, who knows. I do not have all the facts. So, the bottom line, there is no plan document signed by 4/18/2023 and prior to any deposits. Apparently, the actuary is now trying to file form 5300 for an "advanced determination on the qualification of the plan", whatever that means. Are there any corrective measures that can be done here? Assume no resolution was signed by 4/18/2023. Thanks in "advance".
Lou S. Posted August 24, 2023 Posted August 24, 2023 Besides unwind the deposit because he didn't have a plan, and file an amended tax return not taking the deduction? And/or refer him to qualified ERISA counsel? Luke Bailey 1
Jakyasar Posted August 24, 2023 Author Posted August 24, 2023 This is not one of those situations where self-correction can be applied, correct? I already mentioned attorney was looking for some options I did not think of/know.
Lou S. Posted August 24, 2023 Posted August 24, 2023 I don't believe this is a self correction issue if by self correction you mean get a plan installed for 2022 and take a valid deduction. You have no plan by the due date it was required to be adopted. Luke Bailey 1
Jakyasar Posted August 24, 2023 Author Posted August 24, 2023 In total agreement on that. I guess no way out of this.
Bri Posted August 24, 2023 Posted August 24, 2023 If there's no plan (or trust) established, then that 200000 is just more personal or business assets, right? So I'm not sure where VCP comes into play, since there's no plan. I think he just amends the return, pays the taxes, and tries again next year. Luke Bailey 1
Jakyasar Posted August 24, 2023 Author Posted August 24, 2023 Thank you both for your input, I am in 100% agreement.
rocknrolls2 Posted August 25, 2023 Posted August 25, 2023 The IRS position, as amended by SECURE 1.0, is that if the plan is not established by the due date of the tax return for the year in question, there is no trust and therefore, there is no plan. I agree with Bri, that the return would be amended to undo the deduction and start again with adopting a new plan document, hopefully on or before the due date of 2023 tax return.
Luke Bailey Posted August 25, 2023 Posted August 25, 2023 Sometimes there is other evidence of legal adoption, e.g. board minutes (not backdated). But even then you'll have to argue with IRS if the document isn't signed. Otherwise I completely agree with the above comments. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
Jakyasar Posted August 26, 2023 Author Posted August 26, 2023 Unfortunately, there is no such evidence, at least none that was presented to me. I am aware in some instances, there was a resolution or certificate of actions with the intent of setting up a plan and the document being signed later. But not sure about the circumstances. I do not like it though. Not sure what they decided to do. Thank you all again for your input.
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