TN CPA Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 Hello - I have a client with a deferral-only 401k plan. Per the plan document, HCEs are excluded from participating. On Question #14, would this be considered a "designed-based safe harbor method", "current-year ADP test", or "N/A"? The plan is designed to automatically pass ADP testing, but my notes from a CPE class indicate "design-based safe harbor method" is used for real safe-harbor (match and nonelective) plans and not for a plan that is designed via the plan document to pass the ADP test. Thank you for your thoughts.
C. B. Zeller Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 From the instructions for this line: Quote Check “Design-based safe harbor method” if this is a safe harbor 401(k) plan, that is, a SIMPLE 401(k) plan under Code section 401(k)(11), a safe harbor 401(k) plan under Code section 401(k)(12), or a qualified automatic contribution arrangement under Code section 401(k)(13). If the plan, by its terms, does not satisfy the safe harbor method, it generally must satisfy the regular nondiscrimination test, known as the actual deferral percentage (ADP) test. Check the appropriate box to indicate if the plan uses the “current year” ADP test or the “prior year” ADP test. Check “current year” ADP test if the plan uses the current year testing method under which the ADP test is performed by comparing the current plan year’s ADP for highly compensated employees (HCEs) with the current plan year’s (rather than the prior plan year’s) ADP for nonhighly compensated employees (NHCEs). Check all boxes that apply for a plan that tests different groups of employees on a disaggregated basis. Check “N/A” if the plan is not required to test for nondiscrimination under Code section 401(k)(3), such as a plan in which no HCE is benefiting. The highlighted portion seems to describe your plan, so it might make sense to check "N/A" as described. Luke Bailey, RatherBeGolfing and Bill Presson 3 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
RatherBeGolfing Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 9 minutes ago, C. B. Zeller said: The highlighted portion seems to describe your plan, so it might make sense to check "N/A" as described. Agreed.
TN CPA Posted July 22, 2024 Author Posted July 22, 2024 Thank you - that makes sense and although I have read those instructions more times than I care to admit, I did not notice that last line.
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