Kattdogg12 Posted Thursday at 08:52 PM Posted Thursday at 08:52 PM Hi all, we are taking over a plan that uses the Relius document. We use DGEM/ASC. We don't have the Cycle 3 basic doc yet but we do have the PPA - assuming not too many changes but wanted to confirm. They are a law practice where the staff is paid by the plan sponsor then two of the partners are paid through their PA and they are adopting employers...well that's the issue. We have the participation agreements from the PPA (one was 1/1/2026 and then one joined on 1/1/2017). The cycle 3 adoption agreement only lists the one that was added later on, the original one is mentioned nowhere (which is one our issues). We asked for the participation agreements and they said the prior TPA told them: Our previous company advised that the agreements only needed to be signed once and did not require signatures upon restatement. We submitted a ticket with ASC and they responded: In the absence of executed participation or adoption agreements, we recommend reviewing the Relius plan document to determine how adopting employer participation and execution requirements were handled, as this will be key in evaluating whether separate execution by each employer was required. I am not that familiar with Relius, does anyone know if the basic plan document states the adopting employers are not required to sign off on plan restatements? Thanks!
austin3515 Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Well on its face it is a true statement. Once you adopt the plan, simply not adopting it again is not enough to end your participation. With that being said I think you just do a new one today and have them execute it. All of their original information regarding the effective date of their participation is unchanged. Then you will have a participation agreement that more perfectly aligns with the new format of the plan document. Peter Gulia 1 Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
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