kmhaab Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 Company A and Company B are owned by the same individual and each have their own 401(k) plan (lets' call them Plan A and Plan B. Nondiscrimination testing has been done on a controlled group basis. It has come to light that the testing was not done correctly with respect to Plan A for the past several years - union and nonunion employees were not tested separately as required. Plan B has no union participants. The testing is in the process of being redone correctly. What are the risks to Plan B in this situation? If they fail to pass the tests now, when Plan A's union/nonunion employees are disaggregated correctly, is this a failure to pass for Plan B? I presume it would be, but what if the actions taken to get the plans to pass apply only to Plan A (i.e. Plan A makes QNECs)? Since we're talking about prior plan years, does Plan B have to file with VCP since they failed the nondiscrimination testing and didn't correct within the designated time period? Even if the correction actions are to be taken by Plan A only?
ETA Consulting LLC Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 Don't jump to conclusions without retesting the plans. If B can pass as a standalone plan, then B wouldn't have an issue. If B actually needs to be aggregated with A in order to pass, then the issues "may" begin. Your first step is to prove each plan (either as a standalone or permissively aggregated with the other plan) passes the required nondiscrimination tests. It may end up being a non-issue. Good Luck! CPC, QPA, QKA, TGPC, ERPA
kmhaab Posted November 9, 2017 Author Posted November 9, 2017 Thank you for your response. To clarify, what if B passes as a stand alone plan, but A does not pass either as a standalone plan or when aggregated with B? Can one plan pass as a standalone and the other as aggregated? Historically, they have been aggregated and Plan A has had to make QNECs to Plan A to NHCEs employed by the sponsor of Plan B (i.e. giving them a benefit in Plan A) in order to pass. If Plan A must do that for a prior year, and file a VCP, it wouldn't affect Plan B if Plan B passes on it's own - is that correct?
Mike Preston Posted November 12, 2017 Posted November 12, 2017 What you have said makes absolutely no sense. There is no structure which calls for "QNECs to Plan A to NHCEs employed by the sponsor of Plan B (i.e. giving them a benefit in Plan A) in order to pass." Why wouldn't those QNEC's be paid to Plan B? Somebody needs to hire somebody who understands non-discrimination testing.
kmhaab Posted November 14, 2017 Author Posted November 14, 2017 Thanks, that was very polite and helpful Mike. Doghouse 1
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