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I have a prospect that wants to convert their 412(e)(3) plan into a traditional defined benefit.  I've never done this and the only way I can see when I read the ERISA outline book is to ask the IRS to treat the plan as if it was never a fully-insured plan.  I calculate funding minimums and maximums back to plan effective date.  If the contributions fall in the range and I do everything else the examining agent asks, then it would be "converted" or in other words, it was never a fully-insured plan.

Anyone ever done this?  Please share your experience, strength, and hope.

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Why not just amend and restate the plan effective with the most logical date (probably 1/1/2018) establishing the 1/1/2018 accrued benefit in accordance with the existing plan and then go forward from there?

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It's a 4/1 plan so I can restate 4/1.  On the 5500, I now uncheck the box that says it's a 412(e) plan and start doing SB's?  Keep annuity contracts as paid up contracts.  Check that insurance still satisfies incidental benefit rules.  Seems too easy to be true. 

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