pixmax Posted September 22, 2020 Posted September 22, 2020 Paychex set up a non profit 401k plan. No employer money, no loans etc. Can they terminate the 401k and start a Non ERISA 403b?
Bri Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 Quote Well, I found this on the ol' Google machine, if it helps in a pinch....
KaJay Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 Yes. The 401(k) can be terminated and they can start a 403(b).
Patricia Neal Jensen Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 The issue here is not the "Successor Plan" issue. It is clear that a 401(k) can be terminated and a 403(b) started without the 12 month wait. The interesting issue is whether the 403(b) can be Non-ERISA. I could not find anything "spot on" about this question. The "Once ERISA; always ERISA rule is usually articulated with regard to "a plan." In other words, an ERISA 403(b) plan cannot be changed into a Non-ERISA 403(b) plan (same plan). It would seem possible to terminate the 401(k) and file a final 5500 and payout all the plan assets and then, as an unrelated matter, start a Non-ERISA 403(b). The Plan Sponsor must be very careful to avoid any involvement with the Non-ERISA 403(b) plan which would involve a judgement or discretionary determination. The issue of rollovers comes immediately to mind. Unless you can find a vendor for the Non-ERISA 403(b) which will assume all responsibility for rollovers, I think this area could be a problem* for your new Non-ERISA plan. This impacts the situation you describe because I do not think it will be possible to rollover the money from the terminated 401(k) into the Non-ERISA 403(b) unless you can find a vendor who will do it without plan sponsor input. *In Carol Calhoun's excellent piece "403(b) Plan Design and Compliance" (Published in 2018 in Lexis Practice Advisor), she notes that Plan to plan transfers would be prohibited exercises of discretion for a Non-ERISA plan. (Reading the entire section of her article on Non-ERISA plans would be a very good idea for the sponsor of the Non-ERISA plan.) Patricia Neal Jensen, JD Vice President and Nonprofit Practice Leader |Future Plan, an Ascensus Company 21031 Ventura Blvd., 12th Floor Woodland Hills, CA 91364 E patricia.jensen@futureplan.com P 949-325-6727
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