ESOP Guy Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 I have an plan that switch from a 9/30 PYE in 2016 to a 12/31 PYE. This created a short plan year of 10/1/2016 to 12/31/2016. My system is counting Breaks In Service (BIS) wrong in my opinion. It is counting the short plan year as one year. So I have people who worked <500 in the 4th quarter who terminated in 2017 as showing as having 5 BIS. It is counting the short plan year as 1 than 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 as the next 4. I think the 2017 terms are forfeiting a year early. I am pretty sure that is wrong. What I don't know is what is the right answer. Do I have to figure out if the person worked 500 hours in the calendar year? Do I ignore the short year? Any help or guidance is appreciated. Thanks
Belgarath Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 My memory is that you would have overlapping periods. So period 1 would be 10/1/16 to 9/30/17, and period 2 would be 1/1/2017 to 12/31/2017. I don't have a citation handy - just my memory. Then 2018. 2019, 2020. Depending upon the hours worked, sounds like your system may be right?
ESOP Guy Posted July 9, 2021 Author Posted July 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Belgarath said: My memory is that you would have overlapping periods. So period 1 would be 10/1/16 to 9/30/17, and period 2 would be 1/1/2017 to 12/31/2017. I don't have a citation handy - just my memory. Then 2018. 2019, 2020. Depending upon the hours worked, sounds like your system may be right? That is where my research is leading me. I think the system is wrong in that in no place did I load the 10/1/2016 to 9/30/2017. This is an annual ESOP so I need to factor that data into it. If you got regular payrolls for a 4k plan my guess a system could be programmed to do it right. In this case the 10/1/2016 to 12/31/2016 census fields only have that quarter's hours. The 1/1/2017 to 13/31/2017 census field only has those hours. We computed the vesting right back then so I have the 10/1/2016 to 9/30/2017 so I have the data. The same overlap happens with vesting and break in service calculations as far as I can tell. Thanks
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