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Santo Gold created a topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs

Taking a Second 401(k) Participant Loan

"Participant has a $50,000 vested 401k account balance. They take a maximum loan of $25,000 and have no other loans at the time A few days later, they realize they need more and wish to take a second loan (plan allows for this). Lets say the account balance is static and in a few days, the vested account balance is now $25,000 (after the initial loan) and no loan repayments have been made yet. Can the participant take a second loan for $12,500 (50% of $25,000)? I'm sure the answer is 'No', but the above makes sense in a weird way."

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HTO created a topic in 409A Issues

Is This a Prohibited Toggle?

"A deferred compensation plan allows a company's directors to elect to defer a portion of their director fees. The deferred amounts are distributed upon the earlier of a 409A change of control or a director's separation from service. At the time of an election to defer, the director can elect to receive payments upon a separation from service either in a lump sum or in annual installments. The plan provides that if installments are elected, the number of annual installments will equal the number of full calendar years the director was a participant in the plan, up to 10 installments. So, for example, if a director has a separation from service after 6 years in the plan, he or she will receive 6 annual installments, and if the director has a separation from service after 12 years in the plan, he or she will receive 10 annual installments. This seems like a violation of the toggle rule because it provides for different times and forms of payment for the same 409A payment event, and I don't believe that any of the exceptions apply, but I'd love to entertain an argument that it's permissible."

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Vlad401k created a topic in 401(k) Plans

Exclude HCEs from Safe Harbor Plan Prior to Beginning of the Year

"Can you make an amendment to exclude HCEs from being eligible for a Safe Harbor plan (effective 1/1 and amended at least 30 days before beginning of the year)? These HCEs already met the plan's eligibility requirements."

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metsfan026 created a topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance

6% Profit Sharing Limit (w/CB Plan) + PBGC

"Is it true that if the Plan is covered by the PBGC, the 6% limit on employer contributions into the Profit Sharing Plan doesn't apply? We always adhered to the 6% rule, even for PBGC Plans, but what I read seemed to imply that it wasn't the case."

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