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JP created a topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance

DB Plan - 415 Issue

"I have a prior client who terminated their DB plan back in 2021. He recently applied for his benefit in the PWGA plan (he is deemed 'a loan out corporation') and was expecting around 5,000/month. When we terminated his plan, he had 6 years of participation and received a lump sum based on 60% of the 2021 dollar limit. Logically, I feel he should still have 40% of the dollar limit left (he has over 10 years of participation when combined), but the PWGA plan froze the 415 dollar limit at the 2007 level. Because of this, they have taken the position that the 180,000 (prior to reductions) is the 415 limit and reduced his benefit to roughly 1,500 (claiming the full amount would violate 415). This is true if using the 180,000 dollar limit from 2007, but not an issue when using current dollar limits (following a good faith interpretation of 415 rules with MASD's) For 415 aggregation purposes, it seems logical to use the unfrozen limit (allowing him to receive his full benefit in the PWGA plan), but I can't seem to find any guidance. Had he commenced benefits in the PWGA plan first, I would have reflected that benefit with the single employer plan and concluded there was no issue. Why should the order matter? Has anyone come across this issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated!"

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TPApril created a topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs

Refusing to Cash RMD Checks Because Afraid of Govt

"Intent is to avoid politics here. The situation goes back to 2018. Missing participant who was not cashing RMD checks has been found and turns out was never missing, just doesn't want to cash a check for fear of being located by the government. Unknown whether participant is legal or illegal but there is an SSNO (Sorry I don't know details about all that). Yes 1099-R's are sent annually. Just trying to be creative here on how to get them their money. One idea -- has anyone ever managed to get cash from a Plan to give out the RMD rather than in check form? Total account balance is < $20,000. Total outstanding uncashed RMD's < $1,000."

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HTO created a topic in Retirement Plans in General

Controlled Group Sanity Check

"This one seems easy but confirmation is always appreciated. Company A: Dad owns 78% Trust #1 owns 11% (trust is a non-grantor trust for which Dad's adult daughter X is the trustee and sole beneficiary) Trust #2 owns 11% (same as above but for Dad's adult son Y) Company B: Dad owns 50% Trust #3 owns 25% (trust is a non-grantor trust for which X is the trustee and sole beneficiary) Trust #4 owns 25% (same as above but for Y) Brother-sister controlled group or not? I think YES, for these reasons: [1] The trust shares are attributed to X and Y (and for the Company A shares, those are attributed to Dad) [2] After attribution: Company A: Dad owns 78% (100% by attribution) X owns 11% Y owns 11% Company B: Dad owns 50% X owns 25% Y owns 25% Dad, X and Y own more than 80% of both Company A and Company B, and more than 50% of Company A and Company B taking into account identical ownership (50% Dad, 11% X and 11% Y). Anyone disagree?"

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Dougsbpc created a topic in Correction of Plan Defects

Use of Self Correction

"Section 305 of Secure Act 2.0 seems to greatly expand the use of Self-Correction of plan errors. This is a good thing. It appears to also allow for the self-correction of significant demographic errors like failing a 401(a)4 Nondiscrimination test. The confusing part of this is where it indicates that the plan must follow the correction methods and procedures of 1.401(a)4-11g. One of the requirements of 11g is that the correction is made by the 15th day after the 9th month following the close of the plan year (October 15). However, 305 of the Secure Act 2.0 allows for correction by the 18th month after discovery of the plan failure. Suppose you have a 12/31/2024 plan year end and it is discovered on 12/15/2025 that the plan sponsor did not execute (inadvertently) the 11g amendment provided to them on 10/1/2025. To me, this would be the failure and this failure was discovered 12/15/2025 and would need to be corrected under Self Correction by 6/15/2027 (18 months). Actually, what happened here was that the plan sponsor funded the extra $765 to a participant before the 10/15/2025 date but inadvertently set aside the amendment and did not sign it by the 10/15/2025 date. What do you think applies to be able to Self Correct the error? the 11g amendment requirement itself that the amendment be executed by 10/15/2025 or the overall Self Correction requirement that the amendment be executed by 18 months after the discovery of the failure (despite having funded the additional contribution before 10/15/2025)?"

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MacroQu created a topic in Qualified Domestic Relations Orders (QDROs)

Texas QDRO: Post-Divorce Contributions in a TIAA RA/CREF Defined Contribution Plan

"I am seeking insight from QDRO drafters or plan administrators regarding a Texas case involving a Defined Contribution plan -- specifically TIAA-CREF RA, CREF, and non-CREF funds -- and ongoing post-divorce contributions. Because these are active market-tied funds, they are moving significantly up or down with current market fluctuations. The RA receives ½ of the monthly contribution from (employer/employee), and ½ to CREF. The divorce was finalized in December 2025. The contracts remain active, meaning the Participant continues making regular monthly contributions, commingling his post-divorce separate property with the community base. The Alternate Payee's attorney is currently preparing the initial DRO draft to submit for TIAA pre-approval. The MSA, incorporated into the Final Decree, explicitly awards the Alternate Payee '50% of the community property interest of the total vested account balance as of the date of transfer excluding any outstanding loans but including any interest, dividends, gains, or losses on that amount arising since that date.' Crucially, the decree contains no explicit carve-out instructing the plan to exclude post-divorce contributions. My questions are:

  1. The Mechanical 'What': Because TIAA executes mechanically based on the 'Date of Transfer,' will they simply apply the 50% pro-rata split to the total commingled unit balance on the actual transfer date without retroactively untangling the post-divorce contributions?
  2. The Drafting Rules: Can a QDRO drafter legally introduce a retroactive carve-out for those contributions if it was never authorized or mentioned in the underlying Rule 11 agreement or MSA? (Note: The Participant has not made any claims to these post-divorce contributions during this ongoing delay).
  3. The Legal 'Why': If the Alternate Payee does indeed receive a share of these commingled post-divorce contributions due to the 'Date of Transfer' language, why is this the default outcome? Does it come down to strict contract law (interpreting the literal text of the decree), or is it driven by the administrative impossibility of plan administrators untangling commingled accumulation units months after the fact?

Any insight into TIAA's mechanical administration of this scenario, Texas drafting standards, or the reasoning behind how these commingled funds are handled would be greatly appreciated."

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Keith Lowery created a topic in 401(k) Plans

Excess 415 Limit Short Plan Year Corrections

"Short plan year with 415 limit at $24k and comp limit at $120k. Basic SH Match formula (100% of 3% and 50% up to 5%) = max match of $4800. Employee's original comp = $278,913.71 with $19.397.03(6.95%) in deferrals and $11,156.55(4%) in match. Exceeds 415 limit by $6553.58 Step 1: Distribute unmatched elective salary deferral contributions (adjusted for earnings) to the affected participant. Is this based of original comp of $278,913.71 or the pro rata comp of $120k ? If it is original comp of $278,913.71, then reduce deferrals by 1.95% or $5438.82. Step 2: Distribute elective salary deferral contributions (adjusted for earnings) that are matched, and forfeit related employer matching contributions (adjusted for earnings). $1114.76 of excess still remains after Step [1] Reduce deferrals by $557.38 and forfeit match by $557.38 If employee is eligible for catch up contributions, then no refunds of deferrals, only forfeiture of $557.38 of match. With the forfeiture of $557.38 of match, this brings the match total down to $10,599.17. Would I then reduce the match down to $4800? Does this sound correct?"

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