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  1. First of all it they terminate the 410(k) plan, the company cannot implement a new 401(k) plan until at least 12 months after the last assets were distributed. So, there's a detriment right there. What they could do is stop investment into the funds that have surrender charges and contract with another record keeper to offer a daily-valued, participant-directed platform (like Voya or John Hancock or Empower--just examples, not necessarily recommendations). They liquidate and transfer the funds from the annuities to the new custodian as the surrender charges expire. Don't confuse where the assets are held as being 'the plan'. Assets can be moved from provider to provider, even the types of investments offered, without changing the underlying plan. Or, in other words, don't confuse a service termination with an asset custodian with a plan termination. What is your role in this? Are you in the retirement plan industry or are you just a friend asking on his behalf?
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  2. Do they have to be "old" terminated employees? What about "young" or "middle aged" terminated emplolyees?
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  3. Must resist temptation to post snarky political comment, already snuck one in yesterday.
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  4. If the plan (including loan policy or procedure made under the plan) imposes no restriction or condition beyond those needed to meet tax law: Internal Revenue Code § 72(p)(2)(B)(ii): “Clause (i) [limiting a loan’s term to five years] shall not apply to any loan used to acquire any dwelling unit which within a reasonable time is to be used (determined at the time the loan is made) as the principal residence of the participant.” Many plans’ administrators’ process claims for a participant loan accepting the claimant’s statements, made under penalties of perjury, on a paper or electronic claim form. A claim form often had been designed to paraphrase text from the statute, regulations, or both. This is not advice to anyone.
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  5. Question 1. Depends. A fiduciary of an ERISA governed plan may eliminate a group annuity contract (GAC) and not breach their fiduciary duties, even if the participants incur large losses. However, this is a legal question that depends on the facts and circumstances and would only be answered after a participant files suit and there is a determination in court. Here, where the plan sponsor by its actions is going to create large individual losses, you friend should be taking all actions necessary to minimize the risk of a finding of breach of fiduciary duty. Your friend needs to be able to show that he fulfilled his ERISA fiduciary duties. He can’t just say I don’t like the GAC and I want mutual funds. He has to show that he conducted a prudent and detailed analysis of whether surrendering the GAC and paying the surrender charge is in the best interest of the participants as a whole, taking into consideration the current market and participant needs. He should do a detailed comparison of the various alternatives, i.e., holding the GAC, a partial surrender, total surrender, costs of other investments, etc.. It is a given that he must show that he followed all the plan provisions and also the GAC provisions to ensure that the minimal surrender charges were paid. If possible, he should consult with an independent financial advisor/expert (preferably not the advisor he is moving to.. to avoid conflicts of interest) to ensure the decision was prudent and in the best interest of the participants. As with all fiduciary decisions, but especially here where there may a high risk of litigation (he is in essence creating a loss), he must be certain to document his decision (including detailed records of all the analysis performed, alternatives considered, the decision-making process, and the reasons for the final decision to surrender the GAC, etc.). Also, he should attempt to effectively communicate the change to the participants showing how it is in their best interest to do this. Of course, he has to walk a fine law … if he shows the GAC is such a bad deal someone might consider filing suit questioning the initial decision to put all the money in the GAC in the first place. Another option which many plan sponsors utilize when in this situation is simply freezing the GAC and redirecting new contributions into new investments, e.g., mutual funds. Here, he simply stops adding any more money to the GAC and in essence starts a new investment plan with the new mutual fund investment slate. At the point the GAC surrender period expires, he would terminate the GAC without the surrender charges and the GAC money would then flow into the new investments. Don’t know how long the surrender period is but at least for some of the money the participants will have more control. He may need to amend the plan for this. It doesn’t sound like your friend would want to do this but some plan sponsors will pay the surrender charges. Paying the surrender charges is more complex under the tax code and, if desired, your friend should consult an ERISA benefits attorney. see @CuseFan Question 2. This allocation should already be addressed in the plan and the GAC. All qualified plans must have “definitely determinable” benefits. Even though the funds are all invested in a single GAC, there should be current terms under which those funds are allocated to each of the participants. As you state, they are all getting statements now that track the amounts in the GAC allocated to each of the participants. The surrender charges would be allocated amongst the participants under a formula in the plan/GAC. There must have been participants who terminated employment and qualified for a distribution from the plan. How were their benefits determined? Overall, your friend should stay away from any type of modification or amendment of these provisions. Just thoughts...
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