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- Is it reasonable for the sponsor to maintain the trust in anticipation of expenses?
- What if (for example), there is no 2025 audit, but the sponsor anticipates a PBGC audit will eventually occur in 2026; is there a time limit over which maintenance of the trust becomes unreasonable or in violation of some other rule?
- What other concerns have I overlooked?
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- Susan opened the ROTH account over 5 years ago ... ✔️
- Susan is older than 59-1/2... ✔️
- Is the only rule that the ROTH begin date of the account be 5 years or older?
- Does it matter that some of her ROTH deferrals are less than 5 years old?
- Would Susan's distribution (which includes contributions and earnings) be tax free?
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Would a halt to rulemaking and guidance matter for retirement plans?
2023’s autumn might bring at least two possibilities for disruptions and delays in some activities of some Federal agencies, including the US Labor and Treasury departments.
Not increasing the debt Congress authorizes the United States to incur might indirectly disrupt or delay the Labor and Treasury departments’ rulemaking and other guidance activities.
Not continuing appropriations after September 30 and a resulting government shutdown would make it unlawful for the Labor and Treasury departments’ employees to work on rulemaking and other guidance activities.
(If history is some guide about what could happen next: After November 1995, US government shutdowns have averaged about 19 days. The most recent was 35 days.)
If 2023’s autumn brings a slowdown or shutdown, would a delay in rulemaking and other guidance activities matter for retirement plans and service providers?
105(h) Testing
If I have a controlled group where one entity maintains a fully insured plan and another entity maintains a self-insured plan. For 105(h) testing purposes for the self-insured plan, it will consider those benefitting under the fully insured plan as "not benefitting" under the self-insured plan, correct?
DCAP Reimbursements After Return From Leave
Hypothetical scenario:
Employee properly elects to contribute $1,200 ($100 per month) to to her dependent care reimbursement plan (DCAP) account for 2023. Employee incurs $400 of qualified expenses in January and February of which she obtains reimbursement of $200 (because that's all she had contributed at that time). On March 1, 2023, she goes on leave (FMLA or non-FMLA leave; I don't think it matters) and elects to cease DCAP contributions at that time. On July 1, 2023, she returns from leave and elects to restart the DCAP. Can she use the $200 that she contributed in January and February (but was unable to use then) to reimburse expenses incurred in July through the end of the year or is that $200 forfeited?
The cafeteria plan regulations discuss this for health FSA contributions (yes, she would be able to) but I have not been able to find anything discussing DCAP contributions.
Any help or thoughts is appreciated.
New Wrap Plan and SPD Distribution Requirements
If an employer has recently bundled multiple H&W benefits under one mega wrap plan, do participants have to be supplied with all plan materials that constitute the bundled plan's SPD? Or can the plan administrator provide plan materials that describe only the benefits for which a participant is currently enrolled? For example, if the wrap plan includes M, D, and V, and an employee is only enrolled in the dental benefit, can only the dental materials (e.g., certificate/benefit summary) be supplied along with the wrap's SPD?
Mid Year Amendments to Non Safe Harbor Plan
Recently took over a non safe harbor plan and am looking at making two changes to improve the ADP test results. First, the plan has an ACA (not EACA or QACA) and the plan sponsor has agreed to increase the default percentage from 2% to 3% effective immediately. It's a minor change but I figure every little bit helps. Second, the plan uses compensation for the full year and I want to amend to exclude comp before date of entry. Eligibility is no minimum age, 1 YOS, monthly entry. The employer will not be making contributions of any kind this year. Given these circumstances, can the compensation definition be amended mid year, effective for participants entering on or after June 1? There will be no cutbacks with no ER contribution.
Excess assets used for termination expenses?
DB plan expected to terminate in 2024. All remaining participants are VTs and all payments/lump sums are expected in 2024. Excess assets are anticipated. There is no possible Qualified Replacement Plan since there are no "overlapping participants". Plan sponsor want to maintain the plan's trust into 2025 so that such assets can be applied to anticipated 2025 audit expenses (PBGC audit or other agency). Review of DOL Advisory Opinion 97-03A indicates that reasonable such expenses can be covered by plan assets (at least that is my read of the AO).
Since 12/31/24 assets are not zero, a 5500 will be required for 2025 plan year, but little or no other administrative tasks.
If, after such audits, any remaining excess assets will be taken as a sponsor reversion, per the plan document.
Force-Outs
It's been a long time, but I'm being asked to conduct mandatory distributions for a few termed participants with balances over $1,000. In the past I've used Penchecks, but I'm wondering who else might be out there to take custody of the funds. Tried to contact Millennium Trust but can't get a call back. Anyone out there have ideas for other service providers?
Lost Earnings on Missed Deferrals and SHMAT
Based on what I'm reading from the IRS website, missed deferral and SHMAT contributions over 2 years old have to do the following:
1. Deposit 50% of missed deferral + 100% of missed SHMAT contributions
2. Missed deferral is deposited into QNEC source, missed SHMAT is deposited into QMAC source
3. Lost earnings are based on the missed deposit going into QNEC and QMAC sources
4. Prepare 5330
ROTH Distribution, Taxable?
Can someone point me to how ROTH payouts are taxed? I know the 5 year rule but here is where I am unclear:
Situation:
Susan has been making ROTH deferrals since 2015. She makes ROTH deferrals every year.
The last 7 years she has amassed $100K+ (deferrals and earnings)
Susan is over 59-1/2 and would like to take a distribution.
Key Points:
So -
As you know, a client comes to you telling you how it will be taxed. I just want to be sure.
When she dies, with the Roth account non-zero, what is the taxation to her beneficiary?
Thanks
For an ASPPA Member who is a recordkeeper’s employee, who is her Principal?
To help me sort out how to interpret and apply ASPPA’s Code of Conduct, I ask for BenefitsLink neighbors’ thoughts about who is an ASPPA Member’s Principal when the Member is a nonowner employee of a service provider and does not control its relations with its customers.
The Code’s definition for Principal is “any present or prospective client of a Member or the employer of a Member where the Member provides retirement plan services for their employer’s plan.”
Imagine an ASPPA Member (under ASPPA’s Code, “[a]n individual”) who is an employee of a big recordkeeper. This employee never works on any employee-benefit plan the recordkeeper maintains for the recordkeeper’s employees. Rather, the recordkeeper uses the employee’s work to provide the recordkeeper’s services to the recordkeeper’s customers. Assume the work is, if provided to a Principal, “Professional Services” as ASPPA’s Code defines this.
https://www.asppa.org/member/code-conduct
1. Is each of the recordkeeper’s customers the employee works on a Principal? Why or why not?
Would whether the employee works on a dozen plans, a few hundred plans, or a few thousand plans affect your reasoning?
Does it matter whether the employee knows some identity or information of a particular customer? What if the employee works on a process the recordkeeper uses in performing its services for many, most, or almost all its customers, but the employer seldom sees information on a particular customer?
2. Is the recordkeeper its employee’s only Principal? Why or why not?
3. Does this employee have no Principal, because she does no work on her employer’s plan and the recordkeeper’s customer is not the employee’s client?
4. Do you have some different way to interpret who is or isn’t the employee’s Principal?
(As always, I own complete responsibility for whatever guidance or information I provide.)
What are your thoughts?
LTPT question
Bumping this forward again...too easy or too hard?????
Hello All - I'm sure this is a very easy question but I need clarification for my elderly brain.
[Calendar Basic 401(k) safe harbor match plan. - 1 YOS, age21, quarterly entry.]
Large portion of client's work force is seasonal (work, term, rehire) so of course we are tracking them for LTPT eligibility. Here is my question: Employee works over 500 hours in 2021. Terms in 2021. Rehired in 2022 and works over 500. This person has 2 years of eligibility credits toward LTPT service, correct?
Different employee works over 500 in 2021, terms, rehires in 2022 but not over 500. This person's LTPT service counting can start over since the consecutive PY cycle is broken, is that right?
I'm getting myself confused on those who term as well as the whole "consecutive" idea.
Thanks in advance for any comments.
Trust accounting for a pooled plan
We have a plan that we took over as part of a business acquisition some years ago; it is profit sharing only with pooled/trustee directed investment accounts. They went from SF reporting to full 5500 with Schedule H and an audit in the year we took over. They have 4 different investment accounts, 3 are with mutual funds and ETFs with 15 to 20 positions, and 1 with 100+ individual securities (fortunately not a lot of trading in that account). We never really charged enough for the more detailed trust accounting required to prepare the Schedule H, but then in 2022 they moved money (not just cash but fund transfers in kind) and it became a full blown nightmare. We're charging them extra, and are bumping the fees going forward, and getting static.
I explained the nuances (if you can call it that) of plan trust accounting, and it didn't really sink in. Then I made the (big) mistake of saying "well why don't you ask your investment people if they can provide reports specific to plan trust accounting" and now I'm spending more time explaining to them what we need (gains and losses from the beginning of the year) and basically having to prove that what they can provide doesn't work. Setting aside the business decision-making issues, if you are still with me...
...how common would you say it is to have a 100+ life plan that is not on a platform? Any anecdotal comments like "we have a bunch of these" or "we wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole" are appreciated. This is mostly to satisfy my curiosity. We run a small shop and don't know how others approach things. I know if we had 100 plans like this we wouldn't make any money.
Participating employer withdrawal from plan
Corp A sponsors Plan A. Corporation B, while partially owned by Corp. A, is not part of a Controlled Group/Affiliated Service Group. Corp. B is a participating employer in Corp A's plan, so it is a Multiple Employer Plan.
Corp B. is buying out the ownership that Corp A currently has in Corp B, and is withdrawing from the Corp A plan. Suppose Corp B does NOT want to maintain a plan. Is there any alternative to Corp A invoking the involuntary spinoff provisions (establishing a new plan in Corp B's name, which Corp B can then terminate)? I'm confused as to the alternatives in terms of the accounts of the Corp B employees who have been participating. They haven't terminated employment with Corp B. I feel like I'm missing something obvious.
New 401k plan - Am I missing something in the regs for eligibility?
Hi
Someone I work with where I provided a combo plan proposal forwarded the following they received from the 401k recordkeeper (no name will be mentioned).
Background, brand new plan, effective 1/1/2023, signed 3/31/2023 with the following:
401k deferral and NESH (3%), eligibility - age 21 and 6 months service with entry 1st day of the month after completion of 6 months - no hour requirement
PS, eligibility - age 21 and 1 year service (1000 hours service required) with entry 1st day of month after completion of 12 months
Additionally, as special provision, all employed on or before 1/1/2023 enter the plan without regards to the above eligibility
This is what they received from the recordkeeper as forwarded by the client:
"I received the feedback below from Compliance: This is a Safe Harbor plan, so we cannot make this plan more restrictive by adding 1000 hours service requirement for PS in the middle of the plan year.* Please let us know if you want to make these changes effective 1/1/2024"
What am I missing here?
Thanks
Return of Over Payment with Excess Contribution from IRA
Early in 2022 person requested in-service distribution. Distribution was processed before we as TPA even received 2021 Compensation, and person's compensation for pre-2021 was not even close to HCE Threshhold Amount. Data for 2021 was received shortly after processing distribution and turns out person's 2021 compensation is over the Threshhold, making this person HCE for 2022. ADP Testing for 2022 results in the need to payout Excess Contribution. Problem is that the in-service basically zeroed out the person's deferral account, so there is nothing left under the Plan to payout the Excess. Monies for the in-service were rolled into an IRA. We notified the IRA of the Excess in February 2023, but the IRA did not get back to us until now. They gave us a form to pay out the Excess as an Excess Contribution, but now they say they can't do that for some undeclared reason. The IRA wants to pay money back to the Plan which would then pay out the Excess now. Of course, the IRA was subject a investment loss, so the amount won't even cover the Excess. A bigger concern is that the Excess was around $5K, so if paid back to the trust and then paid out now, there will be an excise penalty tax of around $500. The question is what is the best way to deal with this Excess Contribution?
Different ICR for HCEs vs NHCEs
I am looking at a takeover CB Plan. The Plan Doc provides for 2.0% ICR for HCEs and 5.0% ICR for NHCEs.
I vaguely recall that idea was floating around 5 or 6 years ago but was informally criticized by IRS on account of creating different BRFs and thus failing that test. Does anyone have any recent information on such design and any source of additional background info to research in more depth?
Small Plan - Employees Provided False SSN
There is a small 401(k) Plan for a company where several employees provided false SSN in order to collect paychecks, etc. The company did not verify and as some time had passed, the employees that provided false SSN were able to get into the Plan. The company made contributions on their behalf. The Plan itself deems "non-resident aliens" are ineligible from entering the Plan. It was found out that said employees were in fact not of legal status to be in the United States.
(Still receiving further details.)
Would the employees just receive their contributions to the Plan, their contributions with the employer's contribution, and what would they be entitled to? I am seeing some cases where employees that fraudulently self-identified because of immigration/legal status had to go through Civil Claims.
Plan administrator sent me my first annual 409A plan distribution a year too early
I am a participant in a 409 A Plan and the plan administrator, Principal, sent me my first annual distribution last year, 2022, when I turned age 65. This year, 2023, they realized they they made a mistake and my first distribution was not to be until my age 66. I didn't know they had made a mistake until they called me and told me, and asked me to send the money back.
Then they sent me a registered letter saying my 2022 distribution was premature and and I therefore owe the 20% penalty plus interest on the penalty, but they would pay those costs for me. What nice people, huh?
It doesn't seem right to me. Shouldn't they fix their mistake? All I can find in my research is the possibility they could have filed a corrected 1099R.
Even if they're paying my penalty and interest, I I still don't like it.
Audited Plan last year (2021) but under 120 balances. Is one required this year?
Had a Plan with 350 participants but only 101 with balances. Under the new Form 5500 audit rules, is one required? I know that it is clear that any Plan that hasn't met the 120 limit won't need one but wasn't sure if one had already been having the annual audit if it could discontinue.
Do I need to restate?
I am sure this will be a hot topic to discuss in the future.
Plan DOT 12/31/2022
Restatement period started 4/1/2023
Possible asset distribution 6/1/2023.
Do I need to restate?













