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- Initial SHORT PY = 12/30/22 – 12/31/22
- Limitation Year = calendar year ending within PY
- Compensation Computation Period = calendar year ending within PY
- Therefore elect to defer full 20.5K/27K for 2022 PY fully deductible for 2022 Tax return.
- (+ PS alloc up to 415 limit, which is NOT prorated since Limitation Year is full 12 months, as well as Comp year; this part was already available for retroactively adopted plans I believe)
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- Traditional IRA owner, dies pre-SECURE Act & before their RBD
- Original designated beneficiary was "stretching" payouts & died in 2022
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Employment contract - just poor wording or a larger problem
I am in a very preliminary discussion with a new plan. Just discovered that they have an employment contract with one HCE employee that states that the HCE will receive X% compensation annually to be contributed to his 401k. The amount is going into his gross pay and then to the plan as employee deferrals. It is not going in as employer contributions. I'm not comfortable but haven't quite worked out how big of an issue, if any, this is.
On the one hand, they are just giving the HCE funds that he can choose to put into or not put into the plan. But since they clearly labeled it as "pension funds" (they have a 401(k) not a pension) it concerns me as a possibly discriminatory issue.
I would welcome any input.
Plan that never really starts...need for termination?
A customer engaged us to prepare a non-SH 401(k) plan document for them in mid-2022 with elective deferrals to begin in the 4th quarter of the year. We prepared the document and they signed it. We've received word from the advisor that they've never collected or contributed a cent into the plan, and whether or not they ever gave their employees copies of the SPD or had an enrollment meeting is unknown at this time.
I was wondering what the board feels is appropriate with regarding to formally terminating the plan. I've heard the argument that if the plan is never funded it never really starts, but I don't know if I can get behind that. In my mind, the execution of the plan document creates an obligation on the part of the plan administrator to operate the plan according to its terms, and there's an operational failure resulting in a missed deferral opportunity as a result. I haven't been in the industry that long, so I'm not sure what the commonly accepted practice would be in this situation. Any thoughts?
Operational failure for late deposit of deferrals?
Plan sponsor failed to timely remit deferrals following multiple payrolls. We are proceeding with a VFCP filing with the DOL. Question is whether there is also an "operational failure" under EPCRS. Plan document only requires deferrals to be deposited into the plan "as soon as administratively feasible." I have not found any basis to consider this an operational failure since the plan document does not require the deferrals to be deposited by a certain date. We are trying to avoid an EPCRS VCP filing (we are outside the self-correction window for significant operational failures). Any thoughts (or real world experience) would be appreciated!
Is the amendment considered to be dated even if date is missing - Docusign
Hi
I have an interesting question/dilemma.
I was provided a plan amendment by another person. The amendment was sent to the client by DocuSign.
It has 2 pages, a resolution and an amendment.
Both pages were signed but only resolution was dated. Amendment's date is left blank.
As they were both sent by DocuSign to be executed, there is proof that all were executed on the same date. There is the summary too.
In your opinion, would the amendment be considered as signed on the same date as the resolution? Or, it will need to be re-executed and dated tomorrow?
If this was not DocuSign related, I would not accept it but because there is no evidence as to when signed.
I am curious on the legality.
Thank you
Failure to deduct mandatory employee contributions
I received a call today from a client. They maintain a DB Plan with mandatory employee contributions of 3% of salary. It appears that HR missed this on a small number of employees and has realized it now. This has been going on for 3 years on one employee and about a year on a few more. The total number of employees impacted is less than % of the total population.
Does anyone have thoughts on an appropriate correction? This isn’t a missed voluntary deferral situation where we have set guidance on the correction. Does the employer have to make the missed contributions? Can they work with the employee to “catch up” the amounts that were missed?
Thanks for any thoughts!
Secure 2.0 new plan start-up credit
Prior to SECURE 2.0 there was the 3-year credit of 50% of plan admin costs up to $5,000 for small employers. I understand now that credit rate is 100%. PLUS there is now a new credit of 100% or an employer contribution up to $1000 per employee (phased down after year 2.)
So a small employer starting a new plan gets both credits? That seems to be what I am reading. Is it really that good?
Interest Rates for Cash Balance Plan
Good afternoon! We took over a Cash Balance Plan and for '21 it appears they were using these interest rate s (they used the corridors under BBA):
However, I see that this table hasn't been updated for Plan Years Beginning in 2022. Does anyone know when these will be updated, or what can be used instead?
Thanks in advance!
Testing
Hi,
There was a balance of $300 in the forfeiture account and the sponsor was unable to terminate the plan because of the balance in the plan level l account. The sponsor decided to re-allocate the balance in the forfeiture to one participant as a match contribution. There was no employee for 2022, they funded a match in 2022 but there is no deferrals which has lead to a operational defect since they can not fund it match.
Since the plan is completely terminated what options the client has to have this corrected/fixed.
Thanks
File Form 5310 Prior to Termination Date
Has anyone recently filed Form 5310 for a frozen defined benefit plan after formal action has been taken to terminate the plan but prior to the termination date? We have previously done so, but didn't know if there had been any recent concerns or questions raised by the IRS with this approach.
$2,586 per day!
ERISA § 502(c)(2)’s civil penalty for a failure to file an annual report is $2,586 per day.
88 Fed. Reg. 2210, 2219 (Jan. 13, 2023).
If a plan’s administrator is off by one year and three weeks, that’s about $1 million.
Non-Excludable Employees with $0.00 Allocations?
To keep this simple, I will use two HCEs and two NHCEs that are being tested for nondiscrimination. All 4 employees are non-excludable.
Can one HCE & one NHCE receive an allocation, and the other HCE and NHCE receive $0.00?
410(b) test would be 100%
Each employee is in their own group, and the plan does not have the SHNEC to trigger the minimum gateway.
Thank you!
Catch-up and 415 Limit for participant who participates in two 401(k) plans sponsored by unrelated entities
I have a client who owns 40% of 3 car dealerships, the other 60% is owned by his father-in-law (30%) and uncle-in-law (30%). He then owns 100% of 4 other dealerships. He has two 401(k) plans that we administer, one plan covers the entities he owns 40% and the other plan covers the entities he owns 100%. With respect to this situation I have the following questions:
1. I have done controlled group analysis and have determined that the 3 dealerships he owns 40% are not part of the same controlled group as the entities he owns 100%; does this appear to be right? Am I missing anything? I don't think affiliated service groups applies since a car dealership isn't a service entity and I don't think a management group applies because he gets paid a W2 from each dealership, he doesn't have the dealerships pay a management company that he owns (also, I am not sure if it is a requirement for the business to be a service company to be part of a management group).
2. We have been allocating a profit sharing contribution for each plan and since I think both plans are unrelated he has a separate 415 limit in each one. One plan he does his max deferral and gets a match and maxes out to the 415 limit via profit sharing and then the other we just allocate a profit sharing contribution and max out to the 415 limit. However, he just turned 50 in 2022 so he is eligible for catch-up. My question is, if we had him fund the normal 402(g) limit (22,500 for 2023) to one plan without catch-up and then fund the catch-up (7,500) to the other plan, could he fund $73,500 to each plan? It seems wrong because he is basically using the catch-up limit twice (each plan would be using 7,500 of catch-up) but he isn't going over the 402(g) limit (he would only be funding 30,000 total in deferrals between both plans).
Hopefully my questions make sense, let me know if I need to clarify anything.
Thanks,
DFVC Website Down?
I have a client who has not been able to process his payment since Friday, and has a tried a few times. Anyone know if the site is down? He finishes entering all of his info on the DOL side, he goes to the IRS pay.gov site and enters all of his credit card information and then it tells him there was an error processing.
W2 Reporting on Employee Deferrals
I feel like I am the kid going to the first day of school in looking at setting up this non qualified plan. But I am also quite aware of the many pitfalls and trying hard not to step in them and cause problems down the road.
We are looking at setting up plan that has a discretionary employer contribution and also allows the employee to defer a portion of their pay.
I am confused a bit by the IRS W2 directions because they do not seem to indicate any reporting in Box 12 Y for employee deferrals.
From the NQDC Reporting Example chart in the IRS Publication
"Example 1—Deferral, immediately vested (no risk of forfeiture). Regular wages: $200 Defer, vested: $20 Employer match, vested: $10 Box 1 = $180 ($200 – $20) Boxes 3 and 5 = $210 ($200 + $10) Box 11 = $0"
There is no mention of Box 12 Y, yet the directions for Box 12 Y clearly indicate "Deferrals under a section 409A nonqualified deferred compensation plan"
DB RMD related
Hi
Participant turned 72 in 2022.
The AB 1/1/2022 is $1,000 and 12/31/2022 is $2,000
Must start RMD 4/1/2023.
Does not want to take it monthly, wants a lump sum withdrawal.
As 9 months in 2023, is it correct to provide $18,000 on 4/1/2023 (9 * $2,000)? If taken later, would you adjust each monthly payment from 4/1/2023 to date of withdrawal by 5% (plan pre/post %).
If wants to take in February 2023, would you adjust the distribution to 11*$2,000 i.e. $22,000
Any other corrections to my math/thoughts, I know I am not thinking correctly here ?
Thank you
SECURE 2.0 317: Retroactive 1st year deferral for Sole Prop
Under SECURE 2.0 section 317, a Sole-Prop can RETROACTIVELY elect to defer for a new startup 401k for PYs beginning after 12/29/22. Normally I would think that means “for 2023 PYs”, but could the following work:
I’m a pension actuary obviously trying to think outside the box and there may be other boundaries that can’t be crossed that I am not thinking of. 401ks are not my forte.
Ethical Dilemma
Hypothetical situation: Trustee terminates plan and takes all money, including monies due to employees. Takes this money and transfers into a personal IRA for this trustee. Believes he/she can get away with it since no reporting of benefits was ever done to participants. What is the TPA or actuary's obligation in this situation?
Successor Beneficiary RMDs
Help!
Post SECURE Act/IRS Proposed Regs re: successor beneficiaries is making my head spin -
Scenario
Questions
Its my understanding the successor beneficiary is subject to the 10 year payout (which in this case - year 1 is 2023)
I am struggling to get an answer re: whether RMDs are required in the 10 years and if so - whose life expectancy is used? Pre-Secure the successor bene "Stepped into the shoes" of the original beneficiary and continued the "stretch" using the remaining life expectancy of the original beneficiary - easy enough
The IRS proposed regs (at least my interpretation) say the RMDs (during the 10 years) are dependent on when the account owner died - before/after their RBD -
Does this mean (in this situation) the Successor Bene does not take RMDs? In other RMDs stop. Which doesn't seem to make sense? Or doe the successor beneficiary continue taking RMDs based on the original (designated) beneficiaries life expectancy for years 1-9 & drain the inherited account in year 10
Thank you in advance
tricky death benefit question
A participant in an ERISA 403b plan passes away. She named her spouse as beneficiary and son as contingent beneficiary. Years before her passing, she divorced then remarried, but never changed the beneficiary form.
Is the beneficiary form with the ex-spouse still applicable under ERISA?
This is taking place in New York, which has a divorce revocation statute, which would seem to no longer permit the ex-spouse to be a beneficiary. But would NY state law take precedent over ERISA if ERISA would call for the ex-spouse to be the beneficiary, since the form was never changed? And if the ex-spouse is not the beneficiary, would the contigent beneficiary (the son) now be the beneficiary would the current spouse be the beneficiary?
I am not sure if a QDRO was ever produced after the divorce.
We are having an attorney look into this but I was hoping for any comments on this as we go along.
Thank you
A Dumb Question
Profit Sharing plan took the balance of an unlocatable participant and transferred it to a Default IRA. Question is does the plan have to prepare a 2022 Form 1099-R for this participant, knowing that the form will never been received by the person? Thanks for any replies.













