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    Non-QEBA alternative

    SCD
    By SCD,

    Hi, All

    not sure where to start my quest? are there any alternative payouts other than QEBA? my STATE pension plan does not participate in QEBA. 
    thank you and if I am asking the wrong questions please disregard 


    CARES ACT 3 years tax deferment, Lumpsum distribution from Retirement Plan& Roth

    tmalik
    By tmalik,
    I have read many posts from several different sites and still confused....
    1. My old company where I had 10 years of retirement service has made a Lumpsum distribution offer for $176,600 giving me option of direct roll over to IRA(Roth & traditional) OR Cash payment.
    2. My current employer has reduced my pay by 10% due to Covid downturn so i do qualify under CAES for 3-year deferred tax treatment for $100,000.
    3. What I want to do is roll over entire $176,600 to Roth while taking advantage of 3 - year tax deferment...i.e.
      • Roll over entire $176,600 in 2020 to Roth.
      • While claiming only $76,600 + 1/3 of $100,000 as income this year (it may be complicated form that i would have to fill but net effect would be this)
      • Add 1/3 of $100,000 as my income in subsequent 2021 & 2022 tax years.
    4. I have opted for Cash payment to me so that i would have maximum flexibility.

    Question #1: Is That possible and How?
    Question #2: Assuming answer to 1st is yes, What will be addition to my taxable income for state taxes:
    • Same as federal i.e. $76,600 + 1/3 of $100,000
    • OR entire $176,000 will be added
    Thanks.
    Talat

    Constructive Ownership/Spousal attribution

    TPApril
    By TPApril,

    Not my best topic, I may have my terms wrong.

    Husband and wife each own their own separate companies.

    Wife provides accounting services for husband's business, but does not take a paycheck. Here business is not accounting, it's just that she's the one who's good at numbers. She signs off on documents.

    Does this make these two companies one control group, or attribute some kind of joint ownership?


    Individual CB Plan for Dr. in Control Group?

    TPApril
    By TPApril,

    I believe the answer to this situation is no, but thought I'd run this question on here:

    Background:  Medical Group, each doctor has own plan. Staff is in a PEO Plan. All provisions and investment options are similar to this longstanding setup that the doctors prefer, and cross testing is run including all of the above.

    One individual doctor is asking if she can have a Cash Balance Plan.


    Establishing Safe Harbor 401(k) Plan - Less than 3 months from Adoption Date

    Vlad401k
    By Vlad401k,

    A company would like to establish a new Safe Harbor 401(k) plan now (in November) that would fund a 5% Safe Harbor Non-Elective contribution. The plan would be effective 1/1/2020, and the compensation that would be considered for all purposes (including the calculation of the 5% Safe Harbor Non-Elective contribution) would be from 1/1/2020 to 12/31/2020. Is that allowed under the new rules?

     

    Thanks!


    combo plan testing - gateway requirement

    Jakyasar
    By Jakyasar,

    Looking at a combo plan design for someone and also having a brain freeze for a change.

    3% non-elective SH + PS. Gateway determine at 7.5%

    DC plan eligibility is 6 months with the following month as the entry date for all sources.

    PS is 1000+ hours and last day rule. Allocation method is each participant is their own group.

    I see a terminated employee with DOH 1/1/2020, enters the DC plan on 7/1/2020 and terminates 8/1/2020. They worked over 1000 hrs.

    They get the SH but they also need to get the 4.5% PS allocation for gateway, correct? The software is forcing it to be provided.

    The plan will not pass otherwise excludible testing.

    Thank you


    Distribution Code for Excess Roth Contributions after April 15

    Vlad401k
    By Vlad401k,

    Hi,

     

    Which distribution code should be used for the following distribution? The participant exceeded the 402(g) limit for the year and did not distribute the funds by April 15 of the following year. All of the contributions were with the same company, so the distribution must be processed even though it's after April 15. The contributions that the participant put in were Roth. Since the earnings on the excess should be taxable because it's made after April 15, would the Code be "P", "1", and "B", assuming the participant is under 59 1/2?

     

    Thanks!


    Installment Payments Chosen

    ogilviesann
    By ogilviesann,

    I have a 457(b), non-governmental plan that we will answer basic questions for a 401(k) client.  The document was drafted to begin distributions upon severance of employment or at age 70 1/2.  They can choose a lump sum payment or 5, 10 or 15 year installments.  One of the participants asked if he is still working at 70 1/2 and chooses to take a 10 year installment payout, if he retires 3 years in, can his payout be accelerated so that he can take the balance?  The document isn't clear, but there doesn't appear anything that would stop the acceleration.  His financial advisor who worked with them to set this up many years ago has no clue and is asking me.  We don't specialize in 457 plans so I want to ask the experts in this group.  Thanks for any insight you can provide.


    Lump sum for late retiree owner

    still learning
    By still learning,

    One participant plan,  71 year old owner with more than ten years of service and participation. NRA was 65. 3 yr avg pay is $280,000. Benefit is 100% of pay. Distribution will be made on 12/31/20.

    Actuarial equivalence of $230,000 limit is about $371,000. Lump sum of $371,000 based on AMT at 5.5% is about $3.8 mm.

    But maximum benefit is 100% of pay, or $280,000. Lump sum of 280,000 based on AMT at 5.5% is about $2.9 mm. Lump sum using 417 segment rates is about $3.5 mm.

    What is the maximum lump sum for this participant? I’d like to say $3.5 mm, but I’m not convinced. This would not be an issue if 417 rates weren’t so low.


    Can a TPA disclose enrollment or disenrollment information about adult child to subscriber (parent)?

    Cate
    By Cate,

    I work for a TPA (covered entity), and our legal office has a disagreement over whether we can disclose to the plan subscriber if an adult child is or is not enrolled on the subscriber's (the parent's) plan. I say that their enrollment information is PHI and we need approval from the adult child. Another attorney says it isn't PHI, and we can tell the parent who is enrolled on his/her plan. Please weigh in.


    Overlapping Related Groups and Coverage Testing

    AbsolutelyOkayPossibly
    By AbsolutelyOkayPossibly,

    Lets say there are two controlled groups. Controlled group 1 contains employers A, B and C, and controlled group 2 contains D, E and F. In addition, employers B and E are an affiliated service group. Both controlled groups sponsor a retirement plan with each of its controlled group members. The two plans provide for different benefit arrangements, controlled group 1 is a profit sharing only plan, and controlled group 2 provides only deferrals and matching contributions.

    I assume that when testing coverage for controlled group 1 would I need to consider employees of employer E in my analysis. If coverage fails without employer E for average benefits purposes, would I aggregate the entirety of both plans together or would I just include employer E employees into the controlled group 1's plan?

    I'm ignoring coverage testing of controlled group 2 because I'm assuming the same procedure applied to controlled group 1 would apply to controlled group 2.


    QACA Eligibility Can't Start for 2 Months?

    Francis
    By Francis,

    Recordkeeper is requiring a new QACA 401k to add a 2 month eligibility waiting period for new hires so they can distribute notices to them. Is this correct or is it possible to implement a shorter eligibility period such as 30 days? 

    Since QACA allows an employee to retroactively opt-out, it seems a lengthy notification period isn't needed, but maybe I'm wrong and the recordkeeper is right. I couldn't find IRS guidance on this.


    Off Calendar Safe Harbor Startup

    Gilmore
    By Gilmore,

    So a last minute client would like to set up a safe harbor 3% in order to make deferrals for 2020.  

    If we set up a plan with a plan year end of 11/30/2021, when can it be amended to a calendar year plan.

    Can it be amended 3/1/2021 for a short plan year to 12/31/2021, thus providing for a 3 month initial plan year.

    Or does the first plan year need to run for 12 months before a short plan year can be created, meaning a short plan year starting 12/1/2021 and ending 12/31/2021, and the calendar year plan starting 1/1/2022?

    Thank you.


    Exclude Non-U.S. Source Income from Compensation

    EBECatty
    By EBECatty,

    Assuming the compensation-ratio test is passed, can a plan exclude non-U.S. source income? For example, a U.S. citizen employed by (and getting paid by) a U.S. employer but who spends working time in and out of the US during a plan year. Can the plan allow deferrals from, and/or base allocations (including SHNEC) on, only U.S. source income?


    DB termination - overfunded

    Jakyasar
    By Jakyasar,

    Hi

    I was approached to do a termination for an overfunded db plan (non PBGC)..

    Unfortunately, the provisions require that the excess to be distributed to the participants (always a bad choice, at least in my opinion).

    To confirm my understanding, this is a protected provision and cannot be amended to "revert to company" prior to termination date. The idea is to transfer the excess to a QRP.

    Also, there are 2 terminated participants. If the excess distributed to the participants, do the terminees get additional allocation?

    Assume no 415 issues.

    Thank you for your comments.


    410(b) and determination letters

    AndyH
    By AndyH,

    One plan of a controlled group fails the safe harbor percentage test of the ABT but meets the unsafe harbor percentage.  It would seem to meet much of the "Facts and Circumstances" criteria of 1.410(b)-(4)(c)(3) but that is uncertain unless "the Commissioner finds...." that it passes.

    Am I correct that a Determination Letter still cannot be requested on this issue for an on-going plan?   What if an options exist, a Private Letter ruling?   Is that practical?

     


    Control Group ... confirmation

    Basically
    By Basically,

    I have told these people that they have a controlled group. They keep balking at me.  Just confirm for me so I know I am not going crazy...

    FACT:  Bob and Betty are husband and wife

    Bob & Sons Excavating

    1. Bob is sole owner.

    Bob's Pipe & Supply

    1. Bob is sole owner

    Bob & Sons Gravel

    1. Bob is sole owner

    Betty's Enterprises 

    1. Betty (Bob's wife) is sole owner, sole proprietor.
    2. Bob receives W-2
    3. Betty's Enterprises performs management services for all of Bob's businesses

    Because Betty's Enterprises earns money off of Bob's businesses we must include all 4  businesses ... correct?  Attribution?

    Bob wants to setup a Simple IRA because he thinks it would be cheaper than a 401(k)  (because his businesses have employees).  Bob and betty want to setup a 401(k) for Betty's Enterprises because it is just the 2 of them... no rank and file employees. 

    Thoughts?

    Thanks


    Force-out question

    BG5150
    By BG5150,

    Plan calls for mandatory distributions under $5,000.  It says it will be done without participant consent.

    Do they have to send out distribution forms to those they want to force out first? 

    If so, what is the cite?


    Funding cushion and expected increases in comp with 415

    C. B. Zeller
    By C. B. Zeller,

    When computing the cushion amount for 404(o), you are allowed to include the amount by which the funding target would increase if future compensation increases were taken into account. Does this include the expected increase in the participant's 415 limit due to the increase in the high 3-year average compensation?

    For example, say a participant's high 3-year average comp is $60,000/year(=$5,000/month) and their accrued benefit under the plan's formula before applying the 415 limit is $8,000/month. However the actuary reasonably expects the participant to earn $120,000/year for the next 3 years. Can increase in the funding target due to the extra $3,000 be included in the cushion?

    Is the answer different depending on whether the plan is covered by PBGC? I know PBGC plans are permitted to assume increases in the 415 dollar limit for this purpose. I am not sure if that also applies to increases in 415 due to the 100% of pay limit.


    2021 Enrolled Actuaries Meeting

    mwyatt
    By mwyatt,

    Just received email from CCA on 2021 EA meeting. Something seems to be afoot between AAA and CCA. 

    "Due to current uncertainty related to the availability of the Marriott Wardman Park as well as uncertainty about the requirements that Washington DC will impose on large gatherings, the format and specific dates of CCA's Enrolled Actuaries Conference have not yet been determined.

    The CCA and the American Academy of Actuaries (Academy) have had fundamental differences that we have been unable to resolve regarding the manner in which the Enrolled Actuaries Meeting should be run in the future. As a result, there will no longer be a jointly sponsored Enrolled Actuaries Meeting, and we thank the Academy for their partnership with the CCA in the past."


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