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LLC as an investment
client would like to set up an LLC for the sole purpose of investing in an alternative investment for the plan. he would allow participants to invest in the alternative investment through the LLC? what are the main issues?
NOIT - 60 days
For the 60 days requirement, is the day the notice provide included in the 60 days? For example - if the NOIT was provided September 2nd and the Plan Termination Date was November 1st - does that satisfy the 60-day requirement? Looking for definitive answers and they are hard to come by.
Fractional Accrual rule for Fresh Start w/ Add-on
Can a benefit formula with a fresh start date with an add-on benefit satisfy the fractional accrual rule? It has recently been suggested to us that such a formula doesn't satisfy the fractional accrual rule. Has anyone had any issues with this? If so, a cite would be appreciated. Thank you.
Equal Protection/QDRO question
Any help on this issue would be greatly appreciated, I am trying to understand this legal subject better.
In state X, state employees pensions forms do not required notification of election to spouse. However, non state workers are required to get signature of spouse. State X in recent years began recognizing QDRO's to override elections of state workers, in order for spouses to be able to reach the "marital assets" of the pension. What about spouses that due to religious reasons do not seek divorce, but then are left out of the "marital assets" of the pension as they did not select a beneficiary to inherit after death?
In contrast
If the party filed for separation, but made inaccurate statements about the election selected, could the courts order a QDRO after the death of the spouse to cure the separation order? If so, what would the spouse be entitled to receive?
It was 50 years ago today
Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was released 6/1/1967. A co-worker of mine for the last 15 years said he's never heard of it. Inconceivable.
Related Rollover or not
A client offered a Simple IRA to his employees. Now he is offering a regular 401k plan. I know that there are specific distribution rules for Simples, but if the participant has met the 2 year participation requirement and decides to roll his money to the 401k plan, are these assets considered related or unrelated rollover funds?
Can Plan Sponsor Reimburse Plan for Fees Paid?
I just spent two hours going through every thread I can find on here on the topic, and couldn't find a conclusion.
I have a plan sponsor that wishes to (1) reimburse the plan for investment advisory fees that are automatically deducted from participants' accounts and (2) reimburse for investment sales commissions.
I believe 1 is ok, but I do not believe 2 is ok, however, I can't reach a conclusion as to why for either. The plan sponsor wants to deduct these, and not as part of a contribution. Everything I'm coming up with is relatively gray.
Thoughts?
436 restricted lump sum issue
Plan has an AFTAP of 70% and is comprised of two components (1) a traditional benefit that does not have a lump sum option and (2) an account balance type benefit that has a lump sum.
Assume a participant has a traditional benefit of $200,000 per year plus an account balance of $15,000. Participant elects an annuity from the traditional and a lump sum from the $15,000. Can the $15,000 be paid or is it restricted to $7,500 under Section 436?
Who offers prototype SEP IRA?
Hello. Can anyone tell me who offers a prototype SEP IRA. I need to find a financial institution that does so I can also open a solo 401 k.
Here is the information from the IRS website. I currently have a 5305 SEP.
"You can maintain both a SEP and another plan. However, unless the other plan is also a SEP, you cannot use Form 5305-SEP; you must adopt either a prototype SEP or an individually designed SEP."
Compensation exclusions
Plan excludes several forms of compensation. ADP/ACP is tested on gross less exclusions
HCE has total gross comp of 270,143.14. 14,373.96 is excluded
do you 1. use limit of 265,000 less 14,373.96 excluded and test on 250,626.04
2. use 270,143.14 less 14,373.96 excluded and test on 255,769.18
3 use 265,000 less a prorated exclusion of 9230.82 (14,373.96 less 5143.14 diff between 265000 & actual) and test on 255,769.18
or, is there another correct option that I am not aware of.
rights benefits and features
This one has me going in circles. If the plan has a high limit investment which is offered to all participants, but and only one HCE takes advantage, does it fail the 410(b) component of the RBF test?
State Retirement Systems/5500
Does anyone know if State Retirement Plans are required to file 5500's? Like I'm trying to find a 5500 for the Missouri State Employee Retirement System (MOSERS) and I can't find anything. I did find their annual report on their website which gives me most information. Just seeing if they would have a 5500.
Someone at my work is asking about it - I have no idea why....
Smoke & Mirrors; Accounting standards, SSAE/SOC
Scenario: TPA uses Relius Administration for their pension clients. However, they choose not to use the software past the point of inputting basic census data. Meaning, they choose not to input or import investment data (account balances, distribution/transfer activity, etc.) into Relius for their clients. Instead, they use a rudimentary Excel spreadsheet to perform Top Heavy testing and basic trust accounting for ALL their clients' plans.
For audited plans, they provide the Relius SSAE SOC-1 or SOC-2 reports to independent auditors. If they are failing to utilize their pension software, they are failing to adhere to the accounting standards which the reports are essentially certifying. Correct? If auditors do not realize that plans are being manually tested in a spreadsheet (and hence, not necessarily conforming to proper controls & standards, not to mention the increased risk for HUMAN ERROR if this is the TPA's ONLY method of testing), then isn't there potential for HUGE liabilities for all involved?
The TPA knows they are not using the software as intended/designed, yet continues to supply the reports as though they do. Management actually made the comment that "auditors and clients wouldn't know the difference anyway..." and "after all, we are technically performing the test... just manually." When brought to their attention, their response: "We've always done it this way. It's too much work to get the trust data into the system. We tried that one year..."
Wow.
Now, imagine that two of this TPA's owners/managers hold ASPPA credentials. Heck, one is even an ERPA.
Could most of us manually complete a Top Heavy test in our sleep? Sure. Conversely, some admins on TPA staff don't have the foggiest notion. But, that's not the point. Regardless of staff experience to complete a test accurately (we hope), the FACT is that they are not adhering to accounting standard procedures because they are too lazy, overwhelmed, inept, or all-of-the-above to simply input the trust accounting into a software package which they pay good money to use, and then knowingly try to fly under they radar and pretend that they are following those standards.
Their failure to disclose that they choose to deviate from the controls addressed in the pension software's SSAE SOC reports is deceptive and could potentially cause significant public harm. They are fully aware they are allowing clients and auditors to infer that they follow applicable procedures for the software they use to provide their services. Like I tell my kids, allowing someone to infer something that is contrary to reality is the same as lying. Plain and simple. At minimum, this is a professional ethics concern.
At the very least, think of the added expense (time and money) for the clients if this must be addressed. I guarantee that if the Top Heavy tests for all these years were reviewed, you'd find errors. You'd find plans that were top heavy and not treated as such. What if that jeopardizes a plan losing their qualified status? Think of all the employers and participants who could be affected.
Your thoughts??? How would you handle this?
Restaurant Owners - Control Group
These things also make my head spin! We are setting up a 401k for a company that was formerly under a PEO plan.
This company owns a chain of restaurants. I am waiting to find out what exactly the ownership percentages and who owns what.
When they were under the PEO, only management and the people who worked at headquarters were in the plan.
Now they want to open this new plan to the restaurant owners and possibly all of their employees. They want to include some restaurants and not others.They also want to set up one match for management and one match for everyone else.
Could they do a separate plan for management and a separate plan for the rest of the employees? Each having their own plan provisions.Can they choose to include some but not others?
P/T ees excluded from plan but allowed to defer
Large plan has ACA and excludes Part time and temp employees from plan (if they work the 1000 hours, that changes them, but that is not the case here for this question). Six P/T ees were allowed in the plan in 2015 in error, but were stopped. Seven people were allowed in the plan in 2016 but were stopped. What is the correction? Some of these people are terminated from this employer and dollar amount range from about $4 to about $100.
Employer Weight Loss Challenge
Employer has organized a weight loss challenge. Participants pay a $25 registration fee to participate. The winner takes the pot. No employer money is involved. Are the winnings taxable to the recipient?
Thanks.
Top heavy
Interesting situation - self employed individual makes deferrals based on a "draw" during the year, then discovers after end of year that earned income is zero. So deferrals have to be refunded as an excess.
Now, in a more "normal" situation, where there is, say, an ADP failure, I know the IRS position is that those deferrals count toward determining allocation rate to the Key, even though they are subsequently refunded. However, it seems a stretch to apply this to someone who is ultimately determined to have zero compensation, so I'd argue that no top heavy minimum would be due for the NHC's.
Any other thoughts/opinions?
How do I know if SEP IRA is 5305
Hello,
My wife and I own a business with no other employees. We each have a SEP IRA set up and employer contributions for 2017 have been made. I now realize I should have set up solo 401 K accounts.
It looks like I can still set up a solo 401k account and make the $18,000 contribution for 2017 if my SEP is not a 5305. I set up the SEP IRA's at Vanguard and don't remember filling out a 5305 form and they have no record. How would I know if I have a 5305 and if I do is it possible to change that?
Thank you.
Raising a tardy amendment during determination letter application review
Have a pending Cycle E2 determination letter application for an individually-designed plan. I am in the middle of the Employee Plans Specialist's review and there will likely be a Closing Agreement matter relating to a missing interim amendment for a prototype plan that was merged into the plan a few years ago. The sponsor knew of same, and it was noted in the cover letter. Nonetheless, there will be some sort of sanction to fix, and I am OK with that.
A few days ago, the sponsor indicated that it had not adopted a discretionary amendment to the individually-designed plan that added a Roth feature to the plan in mid-2016. The Roth feature has been implemented, but no adopted amendment to date. I could fix this via a separate VCP filing and pay the VCP fee, because, per the determination letter rules, the plan is not "under examination" re this item.
But, would it be possible to save a buck or two and voluntarily raise this new issue with the Specialist and deal with it with the pending other nonamender failure . . . with the hope that the sanction will be baked into same, say the VCP fee of $10,000 or so as the CAP sanction.
Or, should I just wait a few weeks, get the determination letter/closing agreement, and then file a VCP application to fix the new issue?
Thanks.
414(e) Religious Sponsored Plans
Is a 403(b) plan sponsored by a non QCCO 414(e) religious organization subject to Code Section 414(s) testing?








