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Amending Plan for Automatic Enrollment
Have a client that wants to add a Automatic Contribution Arrangement (ACA) and not an EACA or QACA. They want to do as soon as possible.
Do we have to wait until the beginning of the next plan year to adopt? Or can we amend mid year. Seems clear to me that an EACA and QACA must be at beginning of year but have conflicting view points on ACA.
Thanks in advance.
0% accrual by definition
So, I've taken a job where some of the DB plans have separate accrual rates for separate groups of employees.
A lot of the times, the accrual rate for a specific group is 0%.
We're not counting people in these groups towards our 401(a)(26) count, since there's no meaningful benefit accruing for them.
Now - let's take an example where the plan is combined with a 401(k) plan, and they're top heavy.
The employee in question is Highly Compensated but not Key, and he's in one of those 0% accrual groups.
Who out here thinks he counts as a participant in the DB plan, for purposes of needing to get a 5% top heavy minimum in the DC plan (the plan where the top heavy is taken care of for all)? Versus who'd think he's not really a participant in the DB and can get by with just 3% in the DC....
I wish the document had excluded these employees in the eligibility section, where it would be much clearer that they're definitely not "in" the DB plan. But that's not what I've got.
Thanks...
--bri
(insert witty signature here....)
New Plan, no assets
Hi
Does a new plan that had no assets need to file a 5500 S/F. For example, a 401(k) setup from 12/1 - 12/31/14 but nobody contribute during this period.
spinoff
company A sold a portion of the entity to an unrelated company, this will not be a controlled group. the new company will keep the EIN and name. The only difference is the ownership.
1. Is there a time frame when the new company must transfer assets to their plan ( current the new employer does not have a plan)
2. can't the new company be a participating employer - Multiple Employer Plan
3. Can the 18 month transitional rule be used in this case, giving the new employer time to set up a plan and transfer the assets??
thanks
Asset Purchase with owner continuing 401k
Company A is acquired by Company B on 3/27. Company B wants to establish a new 401k plan and merge Co A asset into the new plan. Since it will take about 60 days to get new plan operational, can Co B become the sponsor of Co A plan in the meantime? My concern is the employees no longer work for company A on 3/28.
Switching from Safe Harbor Non-elective to Safe Harbor Match?
a small plan is looking to save the employer cost. Currently satisfy Safe Harbor using the 3% non-elective. It is permissible to amend and notify participants in advance to change to a safe harbor match mid plan year and still satisfy non-discrimination requirements and Top Heavy, yes?
Plan Contribution in Lieu of a Raise
A governmental employer gives a 5% employer contribution into their 457(b) plan. The employer wants to give employees the option of receiving a 2% raise or in lieu of a raise the employer will put an additional 3% employer contribution into the plan. Thus, employees who elect their raise will get a 5% employer contribution and employees who elect no raise will get a 8% contribution.
My gut tells me this may be against state labor.
Has anyone see a governmental employer do this?
Plan Document Excludes Key - Plan Fails
I'm running testing right now for one of our plans and it specifically states in the document that it excludes key employees from participation (there are 3 key employees). However, because we're excluding these employees from testing, the ADP test is failing. If they were included in testing, the ADP test would pass because there would be 3 extra participants with 0% ADR which would lower the HCE ADP. Question: can the document be amended retroactively (for 2014 plan year) to not exclude the key employees?
PS with NRA 60, but has Pension Assets
I just came upon a PS Plan with a NRA of 60 - normally fine in a PS plan, BUT, this was formerly a MP plan that was amended and restated to a PS plan. Since there are pension assets, the NRA of 62 isn't allowable in this case (it isn't an industry that can reasonably demonstrate or argue that NRA of 60 is normal or representative of the industry)
So here's the conundrum - easy to amend to 62, but it seems to me that this is an impermissible cutback. What does one do in this situation? If you leave it alone, it is noncompliant and you can't rely on the pre-approved language. If you amend, it is a prohibited cutback. Do you have to submit to IRS under VCP as a document failure? And even if you do, what "fix" can reasonably be proposed?
Should have known better than to review a plan on Friday the 13th! ![]()
Controlled Group Transfers
Companies B and C are subs of mothership A. The mothership has told Company B that one of its subs (call it D) has been transferred to Company C.
Effective 1/1/15 D is no longer contributing to plan B and deferrals are going to plan C. The natives in sub D want their assets in the plan with Company C and out of the plan with Company B.
It seems on paper that this should be pretty straightforward but C's RK is talking blackout on both sides. B's RK doesn't know this is happening yet either.
5500 SF Participant count difference between line 5a and 5(d)(1)
What is the difference on 5500 SF Participant count difference between line 5a and 5(d)(1)?
Gateway and 401(a)(4) in a Control Group situation
There are 5 members of a control group, and only 2 out of the 5 companies give a Profit Sharing contribution. The formula is 2% of Compensation.
Assuming that the control group passes the Ratio Percentage test, does the Gateway test and 401(a)(4) still apply?
Any guidance is greatly appreciated.
Alex
sponsor leaving their PEO
An employer currently is part of a PEO. Employer has made the decision to exit the PEO for all benefit purposes. The employer currently participates in the PEO 401k plan. As part of the exiting documents, the TPA and PEO state that all employees of client/employer organization will incur a distributable event. The employer will maintain their own 401k plan.
I am having a hard time finding an answer to the following in the EOB
Question: Is it accurate that all participants of the client organization/employer will incur a distributable event when a 401k plan will be sponsored by the employer? As an adopting employer of the PEO plan, wouldn't you have successor plan issues if the assets are distributed?
My thought was to have the assets transferred directly to new plan without the option for participants to elect a distribution.
Thank you
ADP Refunds
We are consulting on a 403(b) plan that has had an ADP test run (and refunds processed) for the past several years. Anyone have any thoughts about a correction method?
Thanks.
Taking a poll
Suppose you have a plan where compensation is defined as W-2 - as many are.
Further suppose you have a taxable fringe benefit, such as life insurance over 50,000. (P.S. edit - the taxable amount of the life insurance is not considered part of the salary, but is in addition to it)
Using a simplified example, suppose the employee has a salary of $52,000, paid weekly. The taxable amount for the life insurance for the year is $1,000. This amount, while taxable, isn't "paid" in cash to the employee, but shows up on the final pay stub only - it isn't listed per payroll period during the year. And of course it shows up on the W-2.
If the employee has a 10% deferral election in place, do you find most payroll providers/employers:
A. Withhold 10% of $2,000, or a total of $200, or
B. Withhold 10% of the normal $1,000, or a total of $100, or
C. Something else.
Just curious.
Safe Harbor Plan Amendment
Paychex is telling one of their clients they cannot modify a safe harbor plan to add auto enrollment until next year. Any truth to that?
401k withholding post calendar year end
Participant is age 50+
On 3/11/15, he's asked if there is any way to go back and do the catch-up elective for 2014 at this time
Since the calendar year is long ended, and he's already rec'd W-2 - could the employer withhold now and issue an updated W-2?
The participant is an employee at a C-Corp
My answer is no - just seeing if there is anything creative I could recommend outside of indicating the participant should just increase his elective contribution % for the 2015 year
Boy val/aftap
I don't do many boy vals and generally do not advocate pfcb creation but here is my question:
Client has no minimum required contribution for 2014 but contributes 100k during 2014. During 2014 client loses 35% in asset value even with the 100k cont due to risky stock losses. no credit balance as of 1/1/14. I do the 1/1/15 val and req min now about 250k and AFTAP>60 but <80. If client elects to create pfcb by making an election before 9/15/15 to use the excess 14 conts, then should or must i redo the 1/1/15 val(maybe just reflect it when i do the '15 SB?) and must i redo the 2015 AFTAP or only if it moves out of the 60-80 range? Sorry if this is too basic for you boyers. plan has two participants, one hce and one nhce....
thanks for any responses...
SIMPLE-IRA correction under Rev Proc 2013-12 - W-2 coding?
Just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Employer has SIMPLE-IRA - didn't make appropriate contributions for 2014 - didn't allow eligible participants to participate. This will be self-corrected via RP 2013-12, by an employer make-up contribution.
I don't believe this employer contribution is listed anywhere on the W-2. Only employee deferrals to the SIMPLE would be listed on the W-2.
Any disagreement?
controlled group question
In 2013 Dad owned 100% of companies 1, 2, 3 and 4. Company 1 sponsored a 401(k) plan adopted by all the other companies. During 2014, 51% of the ownership of company 1 is shifted to adult Son with Dad keeping 49%. Son also owns 100% of company 5 that is not a part of the plan.
Companies 2, 3 and 4 are clearly part of a controlled group. What about 1 and 5?
My recollection is that there is only attribution from Dad to Son if Dad owns more than 50% of the company. What about from Son to Dad? Or do I have that backwards?
And why is it always the client who gets you a census the second week of March who has these kinds of issues? (OK, I don't really need an answer to this last one.)




