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I can only speak for myself, but the issue became more important after an IRS response to a graybook question. I don't recall the year, but think it was early 2010s? IRS has subsequently echoed same position, which is, if you don't issue an SOBN, you need to provide BOTH the age/service, plus the actuarial increase. In your example, your procedures are not in compliance with the document. Your are not following plan provisions by not supplying a SOBN to people working beyond NRD. You must provide the rollup to avoid a 411(d)(6) cut back on the existing AB, and the IRS would argue that you need to provide the additional accrual because you never suspended the benefit. Current IRS position is that your plan must specifically include "greater of the two" language in order to offset the accrual by the rollup. Without that explicit language, you need to give both. I think some of this was codified in the first sets of 417(e) regulations.
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Best place to start is to ask your accountant and/or attorney for recommendations. Like most things in life, you get what you pay for. It might be help to scan some of the other threads on this board to gain an understanding of the potential issues. You should be able to find someone willing to do the work for < 2K for a solo db. Location doesn't really matter, but if you tell us what city you are near, someone will likely PM you.
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Overfunded Solo-DB
Effen replied to Catch22PGM's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
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Effen replied to Catch22PGM's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
1) Maybe. Review the rules for Qualified Replacement Plan. They can reduce the excise tax on whatever they can allocate within 7 years. They might be able to use up the entire $500K of excess. Make sure they understand it counts as an annual addition. IOW, if they allocate $58K of the excess assets each year, there is no room for any employer contributions. Also, be aware of earnings on the excess assets they transferred also need to be allocated, so most people invest conservatively. 2) Sure, they can start a new one tomorrow. They won't be able to put any money into it, but they can have one. You only get one 415 limit per employer. If they hit the 415 limit in the DB, they are likely done. If COLAs increase the 415 limit in the future, it might make sense in a few years, but not as likely to happen with the current Congress. If they worked for a new employer (less than 50% ownership) they might be able to fund a different 415 limit.- 13 replies
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Beneficiary opt for lump sum?
Effen replied to SSRRS's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
? There are no two sides on a dilemma. This is all pretty black and white. You just need to do some research and figure out which is correct. Don't take on risk for a client just because they are unwillingly to pay for something outside your area of expertise. -
Beneficiary opt for lump sum?
Effen replied to SSRRS's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
I meant you need to talk to the plan's actuary and ERISA counsel and work through these issues. I believe if the plan permits the beneficiary to take a lump sum in leu of monthly payments (you need to work with ERISA counsel to ensure this is permitted), the beneficiary cannot rollover the MRD amount applicable for the year of payment. These rules are tricky for DB plans so you will need to read the regs. Yes, the beneficiary can rollover a lump sum, part of it will not be eligible for rollover due to MRDs. Whose MRDs govern after the rollover I am not sure. -
suspension of benefits
Effen replied to Jakyasar's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
https://www.asppa.org/news-resources/browse-topics/suspension-benefits-part-1 2530.203-3,Department of Labor,Suspension of pension benefits upon reemployment of retirees -
I don't know the answer to your direct question, but my initial concern was 1.401(a)(4)-5 Plan amendments and plan terminations. (a) (2) Facts-and-circumstances determination. Whether the timing of a plan amendment or series of plan amendments has the effect of discriminating significantly in favor of HCEs or former HCEs is determined at the time the plan amendment first becomes effective for purposes of section 401(a), based on all of the relevant facts and circumstances If the amendment benefited the HCE, you should make sure the timing of the amendment was not discriminatory.
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Another thought is that the 2020 contribution isn't due until 9/15/21. For the 2021 valuation it might be reasonable to assume < 1000 hours, plus the plan will have a gain since there was no accrual in 2020 - add ARPA to all that, and the 2021 MRC will likely be very low. Also, you can probably reduce the 2020 MRC significantly by applying the ARPA changes. Maybe you can't eliminate 2020's MRC, but between 2020 and 2021, total cash outlay can be significantly reduced.
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Beneficiary opt for lump sum?
Effen replied to SSRRS's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
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After death QDRO
Effen replied to Michael Iglesias's topic in Qualified Domestic Relations Orders (QDROs)
You are correct. After reviewing SPD, it appears no spousal consent would have been required. SPD is public and can be found with google search -
After death QDRO
Effen replied to Michael Iglesias's topic in Qualified Domestic Relations Orders (QDROs)
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No, deductions don't carry over like that. They can be deducted in the fiscal year deposited, or the preceding fiscal year if deposited before the due date of the tax return, but they can't be deducted in a subsequent fiscal year. There might be exceptions if the deposit exceeded the maximum deductible amount, but I am not sure.
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Late 204(h) Notice
Effen replied to 401 Chaos's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
There is a lot here, but my experience is the IRS will never know, unless you tell them, or a participant sends a complaint to the DOL. That doesn't excuse the late 204(h), but you should make sure the attorney explains risk/reward to the client. I have always struggled with this whole concept. There are places that state a plan must provide a timely 204(h) notice in order for the freeze to be effective. That implies, if no 204(h), then no freeze or accrual reduction can be effective. However, if that is really true, why is there a stated excise tax for a late 204(h) notice? How can a required timely notice be "late"? That implies the first rule has exceptions - yes, costly ones, but exceptions. That begs the question, if the notices is late, does that mean the freeze is still effective? How late can a notice be and still have an effective freeze? I guess yours is a situation where the tax might be effective - but it is a pretty big smack. Personal opinion is I think you would be relatively safe to give additional accruals for the extra 30 days. Not sure what your plan provisions are, but the additional 30 days may not result in any additional benefits. I know you said there were additional accruals, but you might want to closely examine the plan's provisions and confirm. For example, if the plan had a 1000 hour rule, did anyone really qualify? Just a thought. If the IRS ever comes calling, you can show the notice was incorrect, but you rectified the situation. Definitely get an ERISA attorney involved so they can explain the risk/reward of their options. Is this something you can file under VCP? Maybe give an IRS agent, or ex-agent, a call and get an opinion without exposing the clients name. -
Beneficiary opt for lump sum?
Effen replied to SSRRS's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
The election is irrevocable for the participant, but there are certain events when you are permitted to change. Plan termination and death are two of those events. If the plan was amended to permit the beneficiary to elect a lump sum, I am pretty sure that would be ok. However, since he died 3 years ago, that might be problematic. Also, it would need to apply to everyone. If the widow is now running the business, does she also have a benefit in the plan? It still doesn't make sense to me why she doesn't terminate the plan. Why is she retaining the risk/cost of maintaining the plan when the sole proprietor is dead? -
American Rescue Plan Act
Effen replied to C. B. Zeller's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
If you feel it is unreasonable, you should inform the ABCD. (Not sure if you need to be an actuary, but I don't think so.) However, just because the official valuation and Schedule MB show 8.5%, doesn't mean the actuary isn't providing a more reasonable valuation for internal purposes. The Trustees may be fully aware of their obligations, even if government reporting is based on a more rosy outlook. This is one area where I think ARPA may have a hole in its budget estimates. A plan may decide now is a good time to change from 8.50% to 6.0% and push itself into a critical and declining situation. No real advantage to that pre ARPA, but now the the government will pay benefits until 2051, it might make a lot of sense. -
Beneficiary opt for lump sum?
Effen replied to SSRRS's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Why have they not terminated the plan? If the sole proprietor died, who is the plan sponsor? Either way, assuming she is now in control of the sponsor, she can amend the plan to allow the distribution. There may be some fact and circumstances that need to be resolved depending on how it could impact other participants, but best alternative would be to just terminate the plan and allow retirees to take a lump sum. This would apply to any other retirees as well. Keep in mind RMDs cannot be rolled over and 415 limits still apply to her lump sum. -
American Rescue Plan Act
Effen replied to C. B. Zeller's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
ASOPs and ABCD. -
American Rescue Plan Act
Effen replied to C. B. Zeller's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
They won't lower them because the need the revenue. Even though PBGC premiums go to the PBGC, they count as revenue under the Congressional scoring rules. It was interesting to hear the representatives from ABC on the CCA webcast yesterday. Someone asked them if they considered the long term sustainability of the single employer funding changes and they replied, all they really cared about was getting the multi-employer relief passes and they needed the additional revenue created by the reduction in the single employer contribution requirements to pay for it. No consideration of overall retirement security, just focus on the tax revenue it will create. Interesting when you find out how the sausage gets made. -
American Rescue Plan Act
Effen replied to C. B. Zeller's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Probably case by case analysis. If we know the MRC is important to them, we will reach out. If they are overfunded or contributing more than the MRC, they will probably just get the newsletter explaining what will happen. Personally, I think PBGC premiums will be a much bigger driver of employer contribution decisions in the future. -
401(a)(26) and 436
Effen replied to Draper55's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
How can a mandatory freeze cause an a(26) failure? What would the correction be? -
Multiemployer Health & Welfare Fund and IRS Penalties
Effen replied to Chaz's topic in Multiemployer Plans
I highly doubt it, but you should ask the fund's attorney. Seems to me the fund administrator should pay it. -
401(a)(26) and 436
Effen replied to Draper55's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
No. No.
