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Lump Sums depleting plan assets
Calavera replied to ConnieStorer's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Also need to check if 4062(e) reporting is applicable. -
415 lump sum question
Calavera replied to Mister Met's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
I agree with Effen. Moreover, when you are over NRD and an actuarial equivalent of your benefit is higher than the 415 limit, you either need to implement a suspension of benefit or you need to implement in-service distribution. -
Limit Funding Target by 415 LS limit?
Calavera replied to a topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Does your plan document specify to use GAR94 @ 5% for lump sum calculations? -
415(b) Limit Question
Calavera replied to Lou S.'s topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Grandfather rule for preexisting benefits is described under 1.415(a)-1(g)(4) -
QDRO states that AP may commence her benefits on or after the participant's earliest retirement date but not later than the participant's normal retirement date. Participant is still active past NRD. We have prepared the benefit package for the alternate payee but she refused to return it. Plan document is silent regarding this issue. What are our options? 1. Start paying her on a life annuity basis (but she may refuse to cash the checks). 2. Wait until participant retires and start paying her with missing payments to participant's NRD (with interest or without interest?). 3. Wait until participant retires and start paying her actuarially increased benefits from participant's NRD to her commencement date. 4. Suggest to plan sponsor to contact participant and AP and request a new QDRO. 5. Other?
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I am not sure if there is a rule for that. I have seen distinction was made by EIN on each individual Schedule C. So if all of them have the SSN of the employer, it would be treated as one employer. But if all of them have different EINs you will have one employer and 4 participating employers.
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Cash Balance Plan - Brain Cramp
Calavera replied to mwyatt's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Why would you even convert it to an annuity for a valuation purposes? It is a cash balance plan. So why wouldn't you calculate the target liability as: TL = BOY Account Balance projected to the expected retirement age with the interest credited rate and discounted back to the valuation date with the appropriate first, second, or third valuation segment rate. -
I agree that B and D are in controlled group. Who owns other 10% of C?
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415 lump sum limit
Calavera replied to Pension RC's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Raise the average comp to 255000 and continue the plan until age 67-68. -
Contributory DB Plan
Calavera replied to JAY21's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Both are valid options. See what a plan document says. It may say the greater of 1 or 2. -
DB Required Minimum's
Calavera replied to austin3515's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Here is my understanding of 1.401(a)(9)-6. Q/A-1(d) for a person retiring at age 73 in 2012 with the Required Beginning Distribution Date of 4/1/2013. Under the annuity method the RMD portion of the lump sum that is not eligible for rollover is 24 x Monthly Annuity calculated as of 1/1/2012. Under the account method the RMD portion of the lump sum that is not eligible for rollover is the actual lump sum amount divided by 24.7 (2012 RMD) plus the actual lump sum amount divided by 23.8 (2013 RMD). Factors are taken from the Uniform Life Table in A-2 of 1.401(a)(9)-9 for age 73 and 74 respectively. I would love to hear if my understanding is not correct. -
I am pretty sure you can find this table and many more here: http://www.soa.org/Professional-Interests/...le-manager.aspx
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This is wrong. Even if the plan year will be calendar and the first year is 2013 that can still give rise to a deduction on the 7/1/2012-6/30/2013 tax return. In this case the plan documents need to be signed before the end of the fiscal year. That is, on or before 6/30/2013. I wouldn't say this is wrong. I think you need to sign the plan document by the earlier of the end of the first plan year, or the end of the tax year in which you are going to deduct your contribution. I purposely didn't mention 2013 calendar year as the first plan year, since the 404(o) regulations are not available, and the IRC Section 404(o)(1) refers only to "each plan year ending with or within the taxable year". I understand that the Pre-PPA regulations allowed 3 different choices. We just decided not to take any chances without new 404(o) regulations in place.
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Contribution exceeds 404 limit
Calavera replied to Cynchbeast's topic in Retirement Plans in General
Is it a defined benefit plan or a defined contribution plan? -
If you make the contribution within 60 days, you do not have to notify participants. If you didn't make a contribution within 60 days you have to notify participants. There is nothing about when you need to notify them. Old rule was that you can notify them with a SAR. I say using the AFN for the notification is perfectly acceptable. If you didn't make a contribution within 30 days, you have to notify PBGC. The notice must be filed within 30 days after a plan administrator or contributing sponsor knows or has reason to know that a reportable event has occurred.
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I vote for must execute with the notarized spousal signature
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Brain Cramp - EOY Val and Sole Proprietor
Calavera replied to mwyatt's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
I suggest you ask client how much he wants to contribute. It gives you exact NEI. Then you do your valuation to be sure that the contribution given you by your client is between min and max. And if clients wants the absolute max, then you do your iteration until you get the max under 404 supported by NEI with NEI calculated under the assumption that max will be made. Also based on the history of NEI the maximum contribution may not benefit your client in the long run (that requires additional consulting and education). -
MAP21 and PBGC
Calavera replied to Calavera's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Who knew that "corporation" means "Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation". -
MAP21 and PBGC
Calavera replied to Calavera's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
It is wishful thinking and I doubt it was intended. Nevertheless as it exists right now (reference in PBGC § 4006.5(g) to the target liability used to determine the plan's minimum contribution), it appears you can use it for the alternative method unless PBGC will come up with some clarification and/or technical correction. -
MAP21 and PBGC
Calavera replied to Calavera's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
I think 4006(a)(3)(E)(iv) talks about the standard method and not the alternative method. It appears that before MAP21 the meaning was to ignore 24 months average and after MAP21 it also ignores 25 years averaging. The alternative method is described under the PBGC § 4006.5(g) as: A plan's alternative premium funding target is the vested portion of the plan's funding target under ERISA section 303(d)(1) that is used to determine the plan's minimum contribution under ERISA section 303 for the premium payment year, that is, the amount that would be determined under ERISA section 303(d)(1) if only vested benefits were taken into account. -
I was tracking down the references and something is not clear for me. It appears that the amendment of 4006(a)(3)(E) refers to the standard calculation of the variable premium and not the alternative calculation. The alternative calculation is mentioned under the PBGC regulations only and it seems that you can use the reduced funding target under MAP21 if you elect the alternative method of the variable premium calculations. What am I missing?
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If I am not mistaken (see table below), and all partners are not related, there are no controlled groups between any companies. Therefore you cannot create one plan for all 5 partners. A B C P1 20.0% 33.3% 0.0% P2 20.0% 33.3% 0.0% P3 20.0% 33.3% 0.0% P4 20.0% 0.0% 50.0% P5 20.0% 0.0% 50.0% I am not familiar with an affiliated service group rules, so I am not sure if this may change anything.
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when does pbgc coverage end
Calavera replied to SheilaD's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Generally a sole-proprietorship or LLC that is owned by one spouse and pays W2-wages to other spouse is covered by PBGC. I am not sure if restructuring the business will help you since the plan, which is established and maintained exclusively for substantial owners is not covered by PBGC, and you look for the substantial ownership at any time during the 60-month period ending on the date the determination is being made. You also may explore with your ERISA counsel the idea of “once covered, always covered” until the coverage removed by PBGC. I don't think you can just mark your filing as the last year filing and remove the coverage. You need to apply to PBGC and request to remove the coverage. So, what if you will not apply and continue to pay PBGC premium.
