Lou S.
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A hardship to acquire your principal residence should not present a problem.
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Is this a controlled group or multiple employer plan, I think the answers might be different in each case.
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Short of reviewing the TH test to confirm it's accurate, you have not missed anything wrt to the qualified plan.
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For calendar year 2016 he has a maximum catch-up of $6000. You failed the ADP test for PYE 6/30/16 and recharaterized $1,500 as catchup so he has $4,500 possible left for 2016. Since he defered the full $24,000 in CYE 2016, of the $15,000 deferred 7/1/16-12/31/16 $4,500 is catchup and $10,500 goes into the test for PYE 6/30/17. In 2017 he has not yet hit the 402(g) limit so all $12,000 goes into the test. For the 7/1/16 - 6/30/17 PYE the deferral in the ADP test are $10,500 + $12,000 = $22,500. If the plan fails you can recharaterize up to the 2017 cacthup limit of $6,000.
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2017 1099-R never filed
Lou S. replied to Albany's topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
You file it now and pay whatever penalty the IRS assess or try to get the penalty waived. -
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If your new corp simply assumed sponsorship under an amendment or resolution of your old plan, you have one plan that had a change of sponsorship. If you are the only eligible participant and assets are under $250,000 you are not required to file form 5500-EZ If you formally terminated your old plan and rolled the assets to a new company plan then you need to file a final Form 5500-EZ for the terminated plan event if the assets are under $250K
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You probably have partial terminating on the date all the employees no longer work for company A. The practical implication being full vesting of affected participants how no longer work for Company A While Company A will presumably no longer have common law employees, Company A will probably exist for some time for receivables and closing the corporation and the owners may even still draw a salary or bonus. I see no problem with terminating the Plan on 12/31/18 instead of 7/15/18, assuming there is a valid business reason which is likely easy to justify. Now if they are trying to make the PS contrib for 2018 to owners and exclude all the employees under a last day rule, the allocation is almost certain to fail non-discrimination testing unless all the terminated employees are HCEs. If the Plan has fail safe language that language is likely going to pull back all the employees terminated on 7/15 back into the allocation of the PS contrib. But you'd want to read the terms of the Plan document to be sure.
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I'm not a lawyer and bankruptcy is not my specialty but my understanding is Qualified Plan Assets fully protected. Traditional IRA and ROTH assets protected up to $1M adjusted for inflation. I think it's up to around $1.25M since the passage of the law. States can grant higher limits but it varies by state. Rollover IRA if traced back to Qualified Plan generally get the same protections as Qualified Plans. A decent summary can be found... https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/081915/my-ira-protected-bankruptcy.asp
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Distribution from DB Plan
Lou S. replied to Sydney's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Must have or are supposed to have? -
401K loan in default & 1099-R Received
Lou S. replied to Tijuana's topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
Run to the DOL, don't walk. Save as much documentation as you can. I'd be very concerned by a company that is not making payroll. -
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Why on earth would you add amounts that have been forfeited back into a top heavy test? They weren't distributed to the participant in the 12 month look back period and they aren't part of the participant's balance on the determination date.
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Distribution from DB Plan
Lou S. replied to Sydney's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
The answer to most of your questions is "maybe". As Mike suggests you should discuss the options for the Plan's funding and possible in-service distribution options with your Plan's actuary who should have far more details than we would on this board. -
I believe Pencheck, Millenium Trust, Nationwide and several other provider all setup rollover IRAs for lost participants. Call around and find one you like that will take a missing participant without an address. You can also look into the PBGC missing participant program which was recently expanded to cover terminating DC Plans.
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This is from ASPPA about 3 years ago, I don't know if things have changed in the last few years https://www.asppa.org/Resources/Publications/Plan-Consultant-Online/PC-Mag-Article/ArticleID/5125 There is more in section 2 of the article that is worth reading through. Not sure if anyone has any more recent experience with this issue and the IRS but this was last info I recall on the topic when doing a continuing ed through ASPPA webcast which agreed with the article as far as I recall.
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Can real estate be purchased and held in a pension
Lou S. replied to bpenfold's topic in 401(k) Plans
And another thing to consider even if this is a proper transaction - if it's the Cash Balance Plan that holds the property - you can seriously mess up the minimum funding and/or maximum deductible rules if Cash Balance Plan is the one that owns an interest in the property if you fail to properly value it each year. In short if the guy really is trying to buy a 2nd home with his retirement assets it's a big no no as Larry has correctly already pointed out twice now.- 18 replies
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Can real estate be purchased and held in a pension
Lou S. replied to bpenfold's topic in 401(k) Plans
I'm going to say Larry is almost certainly right in this case that this will in fact be a Prohibited Transaction, but Jpod is also correct that there is a slim possibility that this is proper investment of the plan. bpenfold, if this is allowed, that being a very big if - the Plan need to be the registered, titled, deed owner. you can't simply take the money out of the plan, buy the place, and list the property on the balance sheet. And yes you need an independent appraisal every year to determine fair market value. there have been 2 replies while I was typing so sorry if this was covered.- 18 replies
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I'm pretty sure if your Plan's definition excludes bonus from match and the plan passes 414(s) testing on your definition of comp you are done. I don't recall this throwing you out of Safe Harbor or or requiring any additional ADP/ACP testing. If someone has a citation to counter that I'd be interested because we often don't do a lot with excluding comp in practice because in small plans 414(s) is often a problem.
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What is the plan's definition of compensation? Is the definition non-discriminatory under §414(s)?
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Did the plan pay her more than her account? I'm confused.
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Can real estate be purchased and held in a pension
Lou S. replied to bpenfold's topic in 401(k) Plans
Real estate can be purchased the devil is in the details and they can be tricky. A 2nd home for the good doctor, err I mean client. is almost certainly going to run afoul of the prohibited transaction rules. Don't forget your annual fair market appraisal, possible annual audit requirements if you are a small plan that no longer qualifies to waive the audit, and your increased bonding requirements. Suggest your client consults with qualified ERISA counsel who deals with real estate transactions to make sure they know all the PROS and CONS of real estate investments in a qualified retirement plan and to make sure they are not running into a prohibited transaction and the plan will have enough liquidity to met all of its distribution needs.- 18 replies
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RMD Distribution to Spouse after Death
Lou S. replied to Vlad401k's topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
Thanks Mike, you are correct. For some reason since he was 76 I just made the assumption that RMDs had been ongoing. -
RMD Distribution to Spouse after Death
Lou S. replied to Vlad401k's topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
If the RMD has not been made for 2018, he has a required RMD that must be paid.
