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New Career Path into Retirement Plans
truphao replied to HarleyBabe's topic in Retirement Plans in General
just sent you a PM. -
Life insurance in a Cash Balance Plan
truphao replied to Renee H's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Surrendered = loss of money Distributed = taxable event or expensive custom IRA (or 401k/PS) able to hold it Purchased = the Owner has to come up with cash -
Life insurance in a Cash Balance Plan
truphao replied to Renee H's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
It is very easy to do something, but “undoing” is where the problems begin. So I am adding the following to the list: How easy will it be to obtain the annual market value of the insurance policy for actuarial valuation purposes? When the Cash Balance Plan is terminated, what will happen to this life insurance policy? (No — a typical “free” IRA will not be able to hold it.) Will the current actuary be willing to perform services for a plan that includes life insurance, or will you be required to find another actuary? -
it depends (as usual). If the client keeps good records of hours and the owners did not cross the 1,000 hours I think it is possible (assuming this is how the plan is drafted). Had exaclty same situation last year and we froze the benefit accruals for Owners in late August. I did spent a great amount of time educating the client about the keeping the proper records and the due diligence. I was comfortable implementing at the end of the day given the quality of records and the corresponding decrease in W-2s.
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110% rule revisited
truphao replied to Jakyasar's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
110% issue is within the 401(a)(4) regs, so one would think it would not be applicable to H&W situation. But, I think the IRS insisted that the language be included in the pre-approved plan documents, so I believe all "known" PD vendors have that language in their PD. So, it becomes an operational issue. Proceed at your own risk. -
it is not just 415, it is a deductibiltiy too. If your Plan Document says "do whatever you want" (aka each participant in their own group) then you can do whatever makes sense. If yoour document is not flexible, you follow the Plan Documnt terms.
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David, we are getting a lot of situations where the client/prospect already has an existing 401(k) Plan through ADP, Paychex, and the likes. This is usually a total crap from the perspective of accomodating a CB Plan. So, more often than not a workable solution is to add a CB Plan and a stand-alone PS plan just to get going to accomodate the proper eligibiltiy, entry, TH minimums, etc. The actual benefit level design is limited by imagination and creativity only.
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Testing of 15 Separate Plans in a Controlled Group
truphao replied to Flyboyjohn's topic in Retirement Plans in General
50?! i.e 3 hours and 20 minutes per plan? assuming no data issues, all provisions are standardized, everything is passed on the first try and zero time spent on documentation and notes? double that. Here is another tip - in old good times we would put on a wall a large map with multipe colors highlighting the permissive aggregations. Might still be an efficient and relevant tool inspite of all the AI advancement. -
usually plan's formula for oner-only plan is 10% of AAC (415 limit formula). Thus, there is no need to complicate things.
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that applies for sole-props as well and many (if not majority) of CPAs think it is OK to deposits VATs by September-ish.
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What is the basis for that? I do not see in §1.411(a)-5(b)(3) any reference to distinction by plan type. If it is a "replacement" plan, then sure, but is it? And if it is, what makes a DB plan not to be a "replacement plan"? The old plan exists, and a new plan is being added to accomodate whatever, with a different structure of benefits and vesting.
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dependent on the actual plan design you potentially need to calculate various factors for each person at attained age at termination, normal retirement age, age 62. That is using 5.50%. 5.0% and 417(e) rates. Btw, you need to watch out not to exceed 415 limites along the way for 2024 (if applicable) and 2026. Varous proration rules applied to dollar-based limit and compensation-based limit. The precise guidance in the IRC Section 415(b) and the final 415 regulations. GL.
