Guest Sara H Posted March 14, 2002 Posted March 14, 2002 One of our agents called me with this question. A non-profit employer has a 2 year old 401(k) profit sharing plan. Previously they maintained a 403b (for approx. 10 years). At the plan year end, they calculate their profit sharing contribution. In preparation to send the money in, the employer requests that employees with no investment instructions on file fill out enrollment forms. There have been a couple of employees who have refused and continue to refuse to fill out the forms and tell the employer that they don't want the contributions!!!! They have also filled out "waiver forms". I informed the agent that I think the employer should send the money in for the employees anyway, setting accounts up for these employees and the trustee should choose the investments. I also told him that in the case of an audit the employer could be responsible for paying the contributions for the past 10+ years to those employees who refused them plus interest. Could anybody give me some feedback as to whether the employer is allowed to just not give the profit sharing contribution if the employee says they don't want it?
david rigby Posted March 14, 2002 Posted March 14, 2002 I think a waiver, if elected, has to be irrevocable. That probably should be included in a "waiver documentation. That said, I don't know if the plan must permit such a waiver. The employer might want to ask him/her self if an employee who refuses free money has the necessary intellectual capacity to be an employee. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
pmacduff Posted March 14, 2002 Posted March 14, 2002 Pax - I agree, but in defense of the employees, the original post does say that it is a non-profit organization - I worked with some not-for-profits myself including a large church plan, there were many participants who wanted to refuse Pension benefits because they did not want to "put an undue financial burden" on their Church as Employer. I know that it isn't logical to a lot of us, but just wanted to point out that there could be other motivation for an employee to refuse benefits.
Appleby Posted March 14, 2002 Posted March 14, 2002 True, There are also religious reasons why some individuals may refuse plan contributions- something about being compensated outside of their regular earnings diminishes what they do for their religion . Life and Death Planning for Retirement Benefits by Natalie B. Choatehttps://www.ataxplan.com/life-and-death-planning-for-retirement-benefits/ www.DeniseAppleby.com
Guest Sara H Posted March 14, 2002 Posted March 14, 2002 OK, so say the plan is audited. Would you say that the employer not be held responsible for not submitting those contributions for the people who refused them?
Guest pineapple Posted March 14, 2002 Posted March 14, 2002 Unless the plan documents specifically allows employees to waive participation, and the employee completes a valid waiver form, the employee becomes a participant and the employer MUST make the contribution for the employee. As far as the investment, the employer can just establish a default investment election. Finally, point out to the participant that at the time they receive their distribution, they can always donate the money to charity (minus the necessary tax withholding of course).
Belgarath Posted March 15, 2002 Posted March 15, 2002 Also, there are some (albeit rare) circumstances where the employer contribution is very low, yet the income of the participant is sufficient so that the loss of IRA deduction is greater than the contribution they receive.
Archimage Posted March 15, 2002 Posted March 15, 2002 Sara H, see if the employees that do not want the contribution would be willing to give it to me.
david rigby Posted March 15, 2002 Posted March 15, 2002 Interesting points made by pmacduff and Appleby. I wonder, if this were a (presumably non-electing) church plan, whether the irrevocable requirement for a waiver would still apply. Any ideas? Regardless, I do agree with pineapple's comment that the plan document should permit a revocation. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
mbozek Posted March 19, 2002 Posted March 19, 2002 Why not either (1) allow employees to waive contributions under the terms of the plan, (2) tell employees that they can make a charity of their choice the beneficiary of their benefits under the plan or (3) create a classificaton that excludes employees whose religious conviction prevents the making of contributions on their behalf- as long as the plan covers a non discriminatory group it should not be required to provide a benefit in violation of an employees religious beliefs. mjb
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