Guest LWilson Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 We have a client whose 401(k) plan which allows for a discretionary match. Have you ever heard of a situation where the employer provides the NHCEs with a 50% match, and the HCEs a 60% match? Sounds suspicious to me . . . Funny thing is, the plan passes ACP.
Tom Poje Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 I suppose you could write the document to do whatever you want, but if that was how it was worded I would like to see how they pass BRF.
Guest LWilson Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 We're thinking he probably stretched his interpretation of "discretionary." We've decided to make him take back that little 10% piece he shouldn't have given himself.
RCK Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 I always thought that the part that was discretionary was the total dollar amount, and that the actual allocation of that dollar amount was determined by the plan document. RCK
Guest LWilson Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 I should clarify, this is a Putnam Plan Document - kind of a funny little thing. The Discretionary Match is defined as follows: "The amount of Matching contributions made with respect to a participant will be V% of his Elective Deferrals." ("V" is later defined as variable). I think the employer decided to give himself a different "V" than everyone else got . . .
RCK Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 and doesn't it say that V varies from year to year, but not from participant to participant?
Guest LWilson Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 Exactly. Which is why we're refunding the 10% he shouldn't have given himself, given he gave everyone else a 50% Match.
Brian Gallagher Posted August 2, 2002 Posted August 2, 2002 if the PA wants to give the HCE's more money that the NHCE's then he may want to consider a new comparability profit sharing contribution. the drawback is that (almost) everyone will get money, not just those deferring. Remember: two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
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