Guest pension222 Posted September 18, 2002 Posted September 18, 2002 1.401(a)(4)-3(B)(5) contains a safe harbor for insurance contract (412(i)) plans. 1.401(a)(4)-3(B)(5)(iii) says that the benefit formula must be one that would satisfy 1.401(a)(4)-3(B)(4) if the normal retirement benefit were accrued ratably over each employee's period of plan participation. 1.401(a)(4)-3(B)(4)(i)©(2) says that the normal retirement benefit must be a flat benefit that requires a minimum of 25 years of service at normal retirement age for an employee to receive the unreduced flat benefit. So 1.401(a)(4)-3(B)(5)(iii) seems to indicate that for a 412(i) plan, the benefit formula must be a flat benefit that requires a minimum of 25 years of plan participation at normal retirement age for an employee to receive the unreduced flat benefit. Do I have this correct or is it just that a 412(i) plan must have a flat benefit that accrues ratably over an employee's years of plan participation with no minimum number of years of participation required to get the full flat benefit at retirement?
mwyatt Posted September 18, 2002 Posted September 18, 2002 I think the key phrase here is "safe harbor". If you were setting up a 412(i) for a "one-man" plan, your concerns of safe harbor formulas don't matter.
Guest pension222 Posted September 18, 2002 Posted September 18, 2002 The purpose of a 401(a)(4) safe harbor is to provide guidance regarding how to design a plan such that it can avoid testing for nondiscrimination in contributions or benefits. In a one-man plan, discrimination is impossible. So I'm pretty sure that a safe harbor anticipates that there are NHCE employee participants since it tells us how to avoid discriminating [in the context of 401(a)(4)] against them. Does anyone have an answer to my question assuming that the 412(i) plan has at least one non-owner, NHCE participant?
mwyatt Posted September 18, 2002 Posted September 18, 2002 Actually, wasn't trying to avoid your question. But the key thing is that if you want a "safe harbor" 412i plan, then your formula has to conform to the 25-year rule on participation. This doesn't mean that you can't have a differing methodology of benefit formula in a 412i plan, but if you do it isn't a safe harbor and you'll have to do the General Test.
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