Guest merlin Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 Q&A 7 and 8 of 98-1 only reference the age-adjusted dollar limit and the high 3-year average pay in determining the 415(B) maximum benefit, and the maximum lump sum in Q&A 9. Does this mean that a participant whose high 3-year average is less than $10,000 but whose plan benefit is the $10,000 minimum of 415(B)(4) can only be paid a lump sum based on his high 3?
david rigby Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 IRC 415(B)(1) states the maximum benefit as the lesser of the 100% of high 3 year average or $X (now $160K, indexed). IRC 415(B)(4) states "notwithstanding the preceding provisions of this subsection, the benefits payable... shall be deemed not to exceed the limitations ... if the reitement benefits ... do not exceed $10,000..." Note that - "subsection" refers to 415(B), - the $10K is not indexed. Also note subsection (4)(B): the employer cannot at any time have maintained a DC plan covering this participant. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Blinky the 3-eyed Fish Posted December 16, 2002 Posted December 16, 2002 In other words, you are correct that you cannot take the deminimus benefit as a lump sum without the necessary compensation to support a 415 limit that is greater. "What's in the big salad?" "Big lettuce, big carrots, tomatoes like volleyballs."
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