FJR Posted December 16, 2002 Posted December 16, 2002 I may be confusing myself, but here is the question Lets say for 2002, you have a sole prop. who earns 50,000. They establish a 401(k) with all the required EGTRRA amendments. My calculation is you would take 1/2 the SE tax which would leave around $46,500. My question is can they contribute the 11,000 deferral + 25% of the $46,500(another $11,500) or can you apply the 100% or $40K limit of comp for 2002 which would then be a total contribution of $40,000?
KJohnson Posted December 16, 2002 Posted December 16, 2002 While the 415 limit is $40K, you are still left with a 404 deductibility limit of 25% of comp (self employment income adjusted) plus the deferrals or approximately $22,500 in your example.
Blinky the 3-eyed Fish Posted December 16, 2002 Posted December 16, 2002 Actually, with $50,000 of compensation, the maximum profit sharing contribution that could be made is $9,293.52 since the $50,000 would have to be reduced for the contribution. Gross comp = 50,000.00 1/2 SE taxes = 3,532.39 Contribution = 9,293.52 Compensation = 37,174.09 37,174.09 * .25 = 9,293.52 "What's in the big salad?" "Big lettuce, big carrots, tomatoes like volleyballs."
KJohnson Posted December 16, 2002 Posted December 16, 2002 Of course you are right Blinky--I was focused on the 404 and 415 distinction and typed without sitting down and going through the earned income calculation.
FJR Posted December 16, 2002 Author Posted December 16, 2002 Blinky, I thought that the 25% limit is based on NEI which doesn't include any of the contributions made on behalf of the self employed individual unless it is made on behalf of a non owner.
Guest hpaine Posted December 21, 2002 Posted December 21, 2002 Wouldn't top-heavy rules also apply here since he is a sole-prop. and the only person contributing to the plan?
Mike Preston Posted December 21, 2002 Posted December 21, 2002 hpaine, yes the plan is top-heavy, but how does that modify anything that Blinky said?
Mike Preston Posted December 21, 2002 Posted December 21, 2002 fjr, I admit to not understanding your comment.
Guest Rosemary Raymer Posted December 23, 2002 Posted December 23, 2002 On the NEI - the formula for the employer contribution in a sole prop is 25%(y-x) = x where y is Net Income and x is the contribution. And, what affect would being top-heavy have on a one person plan? Most likely vesting is immediate since the one participant has designed the plan to suit himself, and no minimum contribution would apply since the only participant is a key employee.
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