austin3515 Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 Can a sponsor require employees to fill out a form affirming the fact that they do not want to participate in a 401(k) Plan? The point would be to prevent that employee from coming back and suing for not being offered the Plan. Any technical references would be ideal. Thanks Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
Guest Tinman42 Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 While I don't have any code section references, I know we have many clients that offer the plan and have the participant fill out an enrollment form with a 0% deferral rate. This seems to work well and for more than 15 years I've never heard of any problem with this.
austin3515 Posted September 22, 2003 Author Posted September 22, 2003 That makes a lot of sense. Thanks! Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
E as in ERISA Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 If you're looking for "cites", you could look at the rulings on automatic enrollment. In those cases, an employer can clearly require a person to fill out a form in order to get zero taken out.
Guest debic123 Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 Many of our employers use this as a means to insure that all employees were given the opportunity to defer. This prevents "you did not tell me I could participate" to be an issue down the road.
david rigby Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 ... and for that reason is very common. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
mbozek Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 There is no problem is getting employees to sign such a form- However the employer has to make sure that it keeps the form until the employee termintes to protect itself from a claim. mjb
Guest lmoiseyev Posted September 24, 2003 Posted September 24, 2003 In prior years, when living thru an IRS audit, they required proof that eligible employees had been given the opportunity to participate. If there was no waiver on file, we had to obtain one. I've made it a policy to either get an enrollment or a waiver (or zero % election). Better safe than sorry.
Guest jmarini Posted September 25, 2003 Posted September 25, 2003 We are a TPA who has done Auto Enrollment into our Plans for many years now. Everyone is put into the Plan unless they sign a form changing their contribution rate to 0%. We keep these forms in-house (or in our warehouse after they become several years old).
GBurns Posted September 26, 2003 Posted September 26, 2003 If you Auto Enroll people into a Plan, How do you determine how much they wish to contribute and what authorizes any salary reduction without a signed Salary Reduction Agreement? Enrollment/participation not being the same as contributing. George D. Burns Cost Reduction Strategies Burns and Associates, Inc www.costreductionstrategies.com(under construction) www.employeebenefitsstrategies.com(under construction)
R. Butler Posted September 26, 2003 Posted September 26, 2003 How do you determine how much they wish to contribute and what authorizes any salary reduction without a signed Salary Reduction Agreement? The plan sponsor picks a default rate. The plans I've seen use between 1 & 3%. The participant is given a Salary Reduction Agreement. The Agreement explicitly states that if the form is not returned the default % will be withheld. The Agreement provides options for the participant to elect out or to choose a different deferral amount.
david rigby Posted September 26, 2003 Posted September 26, 2003 The original questioner may wish to review any of several prior discussion threads about this topic. Try the Search feature, with "negative election" or "automatic enrollment". I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
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