K-t-F Posted January 13, 2005 Posted January 13, 2005 Any reason why I can not amend a MP into a SH 401k midyear? (The current plan year is an October year) I dont want to establish a whole new plan and have 2 plans for the current year. I have more than 60 days till the end of the year so giving notice is easy. If fine then .... will I be required to calculate a contribution for the short year based on income earned till the time the plan is amended... say November -> January 31? And, if it is less expensive for the sponsor to amend the existing MP to a 0% contribution... can I do that at this point in the year? Thanks! Its not easy being green
jaemmons Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Is the MP a "Pre-ERISA" MP? The final 401(k) Regulations contain the following language to newly established safe harbor 401(k) plans 1.401(k)-3(e)(2) "...Similarly, a cash or deferred arrangement will not fail to satisfy the requirement of this paragraph (e) if it is added to an existing profit sharing, stock bonus, or pre-ERISA money purchase pension plan for the first time during that year provided that.." IMHO, I don't think you can amend and restate and existing MP plan (unless it was created before 1974) to be a safe harbor plan during the current plan year.
Archimage Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 I think you are fine to merger it mid-year. You will need to amend the contribution formula to 0% and issue 204h notices. You will have to setup the new 401(k) plan and have a merger document that changes the assets over effective mid-year. You will have other issues if your MPP has participants that have already accrued this plan year's benefit. If you have a last day rule then you won't have any problems.
K-t-F Posted January 14, 2005 Author Posted January 14, 2005 Follow-up info.... Plan is an October year end plan.... Only participant in the plan right now is the plan sponsor. 3 employees will be eligible to participate but are not eligible now. EE1 enters the plan on 5/1/05 EEs 2 & 3 enter the plan on 11/1/05 204h notice would be given to sponsor himself. A formality but not a big deal. Amending the 25% MP contribution to 0% can also be done... but he would be required to make a 25% cont on income up to the date we amend the plan? 25% cont based on his income from 11/1/04 -> 1/31/05? Sum it up... 2 amendments, one to amend cont to 0% and the other to convert to SH 401K w/3% nec. Couldn't that be one amendment with everything included? Same EIN?... and create letters of authorization to amend the registration of the assets from MP to SH 401?... Thanks for your help! Its not easy being green
Archimage Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 I take it there is no last day rule so the owner has already accrued the contribution. If you only want to base the contribution thru 1/31/05 then you would need to amend the plan year to make a short plan year because your document probably defines compensation as comp for the plan year. I don't see any problem with the two changes being on one actual amendment.
K-t-F Posted January 14, 2005 Author Posted January 14, 2005 YES... there is the last day rule... must be employed on the last day of the year to receive a contribution... so dont need to amend to 0%? Its not easy being green
Archimage Posted January 17, 2005 Posted January 17, 2005 You should still amend to zero. You had mentioned basing the contribution on partial year's comp. You will not need to since no MPP contribution has accrued.
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