Lori Foresz Posted February 10, 2005 Posted February 10, 2005 I guess this has always bugged me and I'm hoping to get some clarity. It was my understanding that 10% federal withholding applied to corrective refunds of excess contributions unless the participants elect out. Now I am being told by one of the recordkeeping firms, that the 10% withholding only applies if the distribution is made after March 15. Can anyone shed some light, share some insight. Many thanks
Lori Friedman Posted February 10, 2005 Posted February 10, 2005 The answer depends on both the type and timing of the corrective distribution. Excess deferrals (exceed the 402(g) limit) - No withholding requirement Excess contributions (ADP failure) - No withholding requirement if distributed within 2-1/2 months. I.R.C. Sec. 3405 applies after 2-1/2 months. Excess aggregate contributions (ACP failure) - No withholding requirement if distributed within 2-1/2 months. I.R.C. Sec. 3405 applies after 2-1/2 months. Sec. 415 annual additions - Subject to the rules of I.R.C. Sec. 3405. Lori Friedman
wmyer Posted February 10, 2005 Posted February 10, 2005 The recordkeeper is probably confused. For ADP refunds, there is a 10% employer penalty if the excess contribution is refunded after 2 1/2 months after year-end (March 15 for calendar year plans). W Myer
jaemmons Posted February 10, 2005 Posted February 10, 2005 As this is a non-periodic payment, it is subject to a mandatory 10% federal withholding as prescribed in IRC 3405(b)(1), unless the participant makes an election to not have the withholding taken (IRC 3405(b)(2)). I agree w/ wmyer that the record-keeper might be confusing the federal withholding with the 10% excise tax prescribed in IRC 4979.
Lori Friedman Posted February 10, 2005 Posted February 10, 2005 jaemmons, I respectfully disagree. The federal withholding tax rules for the four types of corrective distributions are described in the instructions to the 2004 Form 1099-R, pages R-3 and R-4. I summarized those rules in my previous message. Lori Friedman
BFree Posted February 10, 2005 Posted February 10, 2005 Others have opinions on how to interpret 3405. http://benefitslink.com/boards/index.php?s...t=0entry71567
jaemmons Posted February 10, 2005 Posted February 10, 2005 Lori, I stand corrected. It makes sense, since it is not taxable in the current tax year, to not require any withholding. Thank you for the clarification.
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