jaemmons Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 Plan document refers to the definition of compensation for plan purposes as that which is used for adp/acp testing. This definition is a non-safe harbor 414(s) definition. Absent specific plan language, could the plan administrator use 415©(3) compensation instead of the non-safe harbor 414(s) comp for adp/acp testing purposes or would the plan document need to be amended? FYI - plan uses current methodology & passes 414(s) comp testing. Adp/Acp Fail with non-safe harbor definition but passes with 415©(3).
rcline46 Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 Look for definition of 414 compensation in document - might get you out.
Guest Midas Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 jaemmons - We encouraged our clients that have a non-safe harbor definition of compensation in their document to supply 415©(3) for adp/acp testing. The opinion was, that if you passed adp/acp using a 415©(3), you in essence have passed a compensation test for the deferral and match source. You do not need an amendment to use the compensation during testing.
jaemmons Posted April 1, 2005 Author Posted April 1, 2005 rcline, Thank you for the suggestion. The plan does not have a 414(s) comp definition, but states that adr's are computed using the plan's definition of compensation (which is a non-safe harbor 414(s) definition). Midas, Thank you for your comments. I have always used the "rule of thumb" that you could use a safe harbor defintion of 414(s) comp (e.g. - 415©(3)) comp for all discrim testing (regardless of the plan's definition of compensation) but to use an alternative defintion would require the plan document to allow for the non-safe harbor exclusions.
Blinky the 3-eyed Fish Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 Plan document refers to the definition of compensation for plan purposes as that which is used for adp/acp testing. This statement makes it sound as if the definition of compensation in the plan is whatever definition is used for ADP/ACP testing. However, your other comments make it sound like the ADP/ACP testing uses the plan definition of compensation. I think you mean the latter, so I will go with that. Since you say the plan passes the compensation ratio test, your definition of compensation obviously satisfies a definition of 414(s) compensation. If your plan document is defining the specific compensation to use for the ADP/ACP tests, I don't see how you can ignore that without violating its terms. So yes, I think you do need an amendment and a call to see why such a crappy restrictive provision was put in the document in the first place. "What's in the big salad?" "Big lettuce, big carrots, tomatoes like volleyballs."
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