Guest mmc Posted April 20, 2005 Posted April 20, 2005 This is a start up plan recognizing service with another entity. Most of the employees were participants in the plan of the other entity and there are a substantial number of loans involved in these rollovers. The promissory note is an obligation between the other qualified plan and the participant. Must we document these loans as an obligation between the recipient plan and the participant? What other documentation is necessary?
david rigby Posted April 20, 2005 Posted April 20, 2005 How does one rollover a loan? Is this really a plan merger? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
mbozek Posted April 20, 2005 Posted April 20, 2005 the loan note is a plan asset which is transferred via a direct rollover to the new plan like any other asset. mjb
QDROphile Posted April 21, 2005 Posted April 21, 2005 You might want to get a payroll deduction authorization in advance of the rollover so you can keep the payments on schedule. You want to be sure no loans are in default or that defaults will be cured before the applicable period for cure.
david rigby Posted April 21, 2005 Posted April 21, 2005 You also might want to check plan provisions, of both plans. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
mbozek Posted April 21, 2005 Posted April 21, 2005 A payroll deduction authorization may not be requied if the employees are transferred pursuant to an asset sale and the purchase agreement contains recitals that all previous contracts and agreements with the prior employer will remain in effect. Check with counsel. mjb
RCK Posted April 21, 2005 Posted April 21, 2005 We did it once for a location that was being sold (it was more complicated than that, but let's just call it a sale) to someone else. We created a special election form where they clearly authorized the continuation of payroll deductions from their new payroll, as well as a reamortization of the deductions if frequency of payment changed or if any payments were missed. We also very tightly defined the window for doing this--it was about three weeks right before the transaction date. If I'd been the receiving plan, I'd have wanted a copy of the promissory note, but they did not ask. As I recall, nearly 1/2 of the partipants with a loan elected to roll it. And pax is of course right--both plans have to allow this type of transaction.
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