Guest dick@fbanet.com Posted May 20, 2005 Posted May 20, 2005 Question- We have a prospect - has an existing 401(K) Plan. Seems as if for several prior years, the company has "accrued" a Company Match, took a deduction on the Corporate Tax Return, but did NOT ever fund the contributions. 1) Can the client go back and file amended tax returns and revise the Participant Accounts to eliminate the Match that was never made ? 2) Would this require the use of one of the IRS VCR programs ? Or is the client "obligated" to make the Match Contributions ? 3) One opinion is that the IRS would consider it a prohibited transaction - essentially a "loan" from the plan equal to the Match Contributions. Do you think that this is the case ? Any suggestions ?
david rigby Posted May 20, 2005 Posted May 20, 2005 What a mess! IMHO, this is not a client you want. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Guest dick@fbanet.com Posted May 20, 2005 Posted May 20, 2005 Maybe not - that's why we are trying to get a handle on the extent of the problem. Any thoughts ?
mbozek Posted May 20, 2005 Posted May 20, 2005 The question is how much legal advice can the client afford? The easiest answer is that IRS generally cant collect back taxes more than 3yrs after return is due. So tax years prior to 2002 are closed. Client needs to hire counsel to review options including filing under VCR, terminating the plan without making the contributions or making the contributions with interest but not reporting PT. Need to review whether client had obligation to make matching contribution to plan. Client needs to know cost of each option. If client isnt able to make up contributions, interest and penalities there is no reason to go for VCR. mjb
Guest dick@fbanet.com Posted May 20, 2005 Posted May 20, 2005 We have since determined that the Match was Discretionary - Not a Fixed Match. Seems that they would have to file amended tax returns and would NOT be able to make the Match contributions retroactively, they could only inrease the current and subsequent years Match to try to make up the difference to the employees - would you agree ? What might the DOL's position be if a disgruntled employee reported the company ?
mbozek Posted May 20, 2005 Posted May 20, 2005 Dick- No one can give an opinion on a course of action without reviewing the plan documents and applicable law. There is no requirement that a taxpayer file an amended tax return. The client could elect to take a business risk that the s/l will run out before the employer is audited. The client has to retain counsel to get informed advice on the problem which will involve the expenditure of several thousand $. Do you know the amount of the matching contribution that is delinquent? mjb
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