rlb64 Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Employee is having financial difficulty. Employer is willing to terminate the employee so that he can receive a full distribution from his 401(k) and then rehire. What are the risks?
E as in ERISA Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Invalid distribution. Plan disqualification.
Alf Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Yep. It violates 401(k) and 401(a) and the plan could be disqualified by the IRS, so all vested account balances could be taxed to the employees, the trust would be taxed on all earnings each year under the high trust tax rate schedule, and the employer would lose deductions for any current and future contributions.
david rigby Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Does the plan have a hardship provision? If not, is the ER willing to add it? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
rlb64 Posted September 1, 2005 Author Posted September 1, 2005 It does, but they want to keep it safe harbor.
rlb64 Posted September 1, 2005 Author Posted September 1, 2005 How would the IRS distinguish this from any other type of rehire?
WDIK Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 If a sham termination falls in the forest and the IRS is not there to hear it, does it make a sound? Such a scenario may be difficult to detect on an audit, but certainly BenefitsLink members hold themselves to a higher, ethical standard. P.S. There are a number or previous discussion that can be found searching for "sham termination." ...but then again, What Do I Know?
austin3515 Posted September 2, 2005 Posted September 2, 2005 Is all of the money 401(k)? Match/PS/RO money can be withdrawn in service for any reason (assuming the doc says so, and the doc could be amended to say so). Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
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