Jilliandiz Posted September 22, 2005 Posted September 22, 2005 If the plan sponsor, the financial advisor and the participant have all lost their enrollment forms....who's responsibility is it ultimately to keep them? Shouldn't it fall onto the participant? There is a participant who claims they elected to defer 3% each pay period, and they have noticed now 9 months later, that they are only taking out 2.85%, but there is no proof of the 3% to make any adjustments b/c the enrollment form is missing. I would think its the participant's fault for losing the forms, not the employer, and tell them they have to wait until the next entry date to complete a new form b/c the plan document only allows changes 1/1 & 7/1. What do you think?
Guest Pensions in Paradise Posted September 22, 2005 Posted September 22, 2005 The IRS and DOL would probably disagree with you, considering under ERISA Sections 107 and 209 it is the plan sponsor's responsibility to maintain records. I don't recall any section which makes it the participant's responsibility. Disregarding who's responsible for keeping copies of the enrollment form, there are prior threads which discuss whether a participant has some responsibility to notify the employer if the incorrect amount is being withheld from their paycheck.
RCK Posted September 22, 2005 Posted September 22, 2005 A wild guess: the problem is with the definition of recognized compensation, not the deferral %. I've never seen a system or a plan that allows for a 2.85% deferral, so I'm guessing that 3% is being applied to a base that is 5% smaller than everyone is expecting (3% of 950 equals 2.85 percent of 1000)
david rigby Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 Yep. Might be a bigger problem: the participants elected to defer a percent (perhaps because that's what the plan says?), while whoever designed the payroll information/deduction did so as a flat $ amount. Uh oh. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Jilliandiz Posted September 23, 2005 Author Posted September 23, 2005 They deferred 3%, but payroll is only deducting 2.85%. IF all the participants are okay with this, can we just move forward and have them fill out new forms to modify future contributions?
david rigby Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 If the "discrepancy" is in the payroll function, why not fix it there? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Guest oxdougw Posted September 29, 2005 Posted September 29, 2005 In a very similar vane, what corrections are necessary where a election change is made to the wrong participant with the same last name. "A" deferring 2% submitted a form to go to 5% to receive the full dollar for dollar match on 5%. The election was applied to "B" taking them down from 6% to 5%. It doesn't appear to be a qualification failure so what is the fix?
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