Guest NYU Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 A local governmental defined benefit plan has a discrepancy between the plan definition of part-timers for eligibility purposes and its personnel rules. It has therefore been excluding certain part-timers that should have been eligible under the plan (for about ten years now!). What is the appropriate correction method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everett Moreland Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Submit under VCP, RP 2006-27, as an operational error and credit the particpants with the benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eshults@bullardlaw.com Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 I know of a similar situation. In short, a local government plan failed to comply with the a 401(k) plan document, thereafter not allowing eligible part-time employees to participate. I agree that this is an operational error and must be fixed. But I am unconvinced that the error must be retroactively credited or that VCP is the appropriate correction method for government employers, don't different rules apply to government employers? Any help would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Different rules do apply to government employers. However, the requirement to follow the terms of the written plan document is still required in order to keep the plan's tax-favored treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eshults@bullardlaw.com Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Absolutely. But other than correcting the problem prospectively, would a government plan be required to retroactively credit participants (as in "regular" Section 401(k) plans). What rules would apply to this process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I think Everett has a decent option. But, perhaps under Rev Proc. 2006-27, you could submit a VCP application proposing the fix you'd like to make and see if the IRS will go for it. If not, negotiate as best you can to get close to what you want. If that fails, the IRS will allow you to withdraw the VCP filing. If such application gets withdrawn with no resolution, would the IRS turn over the case to their plan examiners for audit? Well, according to IRS officials at a conference about a year ago, they want to keep the integrity of the EPCRS program in tact. The only time they would ever turn over a closed unresolved VCP case to their auditors would be for an egregious case. They also stated that (as of the date of that conference) they only had a few (less than a dozen?) cases that were closed as unresolved, and none of those were turned over to their auditors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mjb Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Whether sanctions will be imposed on govt entities for violation of q plan rules is a question of clout since there is no tax sanction that can be imposed on the employer. Large govt entities are not punished for violations of Q plan rules. A few years ago the IRS audited the NYC Q retirement plans and determined that assets were being withdrawn to balance the budget. The penalty imposed by the IRS was an agreement by NYC not to do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eshults@bullardlaw.com Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Do you have a case/ruling number/name on that? I would appreciate it. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mjb Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 No cite. It was reported in the NY Times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Ah, the nicer, friendly IRS. If private plans could receive just one-tenth of such generosity that these government plans are granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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