Guest STP20004 Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 My understanding is that the IRS was considering issuing transition guidance back in 2006 regarding adding a roth 401(k) feature mid-year to a safe harbor 401(k) plan. I've looked around but can't find it. Did it ever come out? Also, what is everyone's take on whether I can enhance a match mid-year in a safe harbor plan where the enhancement was not laid out in the annual notice. Thanks!
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 I don't see a problem with adding Roth, it does not change the info in the Safe Harbor notice or in the Safe Harbor provisions. Under 1.401(m)-3(f)(1), the plan provisions that satisfy all of these Safe Harbor rules must be adopted before the first day of the plan year and remain in effect for an entire 12-month period. And a plan which includes provisions that satisfy the Safe Harbor requirements will no longer satisfy them if the plan is amended to change such provisions for that plan year. There are a couple exceptions for a short plan year and the initial year and for the reduction/suspension of the safe harbor match. That may seem overly strict, but it is what it is.
Guest STP20004 Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 The issue stems from the fact that the match for Roth 401(k) contributions would be on top of the 4% match given under the current safe harbor terms. So if I deferred $X after-tax (versus $X pre-tax) I would get the same standard 4% match provided on pre-tax deferrals plus an additional Roth match.... so the effect of adding the Roth feature is that the match is being enhanced or otherwise increased mid-year. This would seem to violate the express language, but seems like an odd result, because I would be giving more, not taking away... I don't see a problem with adding Roth, it does not change the info in the Safe Harbor notice or in the Safe Harbor provisions.Under 1.401(m)-3(f)(1), the plan provisions that satisfy all of these Safe Harbor rules must be adopted before the first day of the plan year and remain in effect for an entire 12-month period. And a plan which includes provisions that satisfy the Safe Harbor requirements will no longer satisfy them if the plan is amended to change such provisions for that plan year. There are a couple exceptions for a short plan year and the initial year and for the reduction/suspension of the safe harbor match. That may seem overly strict, but it is what it is.
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 I do not agree with the way you described Roth. Step #1: The employee decides how much to defer from salary. Step #2: The employee decides what portion from #1 is pre-tax and the portion that is after-tax Step #3: The employer provides a match based on the amount deferred under step #1. I do not see where adding the Roth enhanced the match. Am I missing something here?
Tom Poje Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 at last years Western Benefits Conference the IRS official 'informally' indicated it would probably be possible to add a Roth feature as long as a supplemental safe harbor notice was provided. It was also indicated future guidance would be provided, but I don't recall ever seeing any. At the same time the officials expressed concern if you were to add other features - such as a match, etc. so there ceratinly is no blanket approval for adding anything. In connection with the Roth, they understand the importance of it because it starts the 5 year clock retroactive to the first day of the plan year (just the clock, not a retroactive ability to make Roth contributions), so it does make a difference.
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 It's now officially okay to add Roth provisions any time during the plan year, even if the plan is a Safe Harbor 401(k) plan. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/a-07-59.pdf You can also amend a Safe Harbor plan's existing hardship provisions during the year and not lose Safe Harbor status. This would be to allow the plan to treat a participant's beneficiary the same way as a participant's spouse or dependent for purposes of being eligible to receive a hardship distribution. This is an optional provision. Trisports 1
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