Alex Daisy Posted December 14, 2007 Posted December 14, 2007 New Comp Plan for 2007. Two Owners & 15 HNCE's. Owner # 1 has 2007 compensation of $20,000. Owner # 2 has 2007 compensation of $100,000. Can someone clear up what tests need to pass in order for a New Comparability Plan to meet all Non-Discrimination Testing requirements, specifically the Plan itself, and then each HCE Rate Group. Can the Plan pass the Gateway test and the Ratio % test, but fail the Average Benefits Test and still pass all Non-Discrimination Testing requirements? What about the Plan passes the Gateway Test, Ratio % test, and Average Benefits Test, but one HCE Rate Group fails the Overall Ratio Test? Is this allowed? Thank You in advance.
Mike Preston Posted December 15, 2007 Posted December 15, 2007 New Comp Plan for 2007. Two Owners & 15 HNCE's.Owner # 1 has 2007 compensation of $20,000. Owner # 2 has 2007 compensation of $100,000. Can someone clear up what tests need to pass in order for a New Comparability Plan to meet all Non-Discrimination Testing requirements, specifically the Plan itself, and then each HCE Rate Group. Can the Plan pass the Gateway test and the Ratio % test, but fail the Average Benefits Test and still pass all Non-Discrimination Testing requirements? {1} What about the Plan passes the Gateway Test, Ratio % test, and Average Benefits Test, but one HCE Rate Group fails the Overall Ratio Test? Is this allowed? {2} Thank You in advance. {1} Yes {2} Don't know what the "Overall Ratio Test" is. With 15/17 being NHCE concentration percentage, the mid-point of the safe and unsafe harbors would be a bit less than 25%. Is that what you mean?
Alex Daisy Posted December 18, 2007 Author Posted December 18, 2007 Mike: I meant the Individual Rate Group (For the HCE's) Ratio Percentage Test. Let me explain with numbers: Accrual Rate Analysis: Gateway: Passes Ratio Percentage Test: 100% Average Benefit Test: Failed Rate Group Analysis for the HCE's One HCE Passes Ratio % Test The other HCE Fails Ratio % Test Is this OK, or do both HCE's need to pass the Ratio % test? New Comp Plan for 2007. Two Owners & 15 HNCE's.Owner # 1 has 2007 compensation of $20,000. Owner # 2 has 2007 compensation of $100,000. Can someone clear up what tests need to pass in order for a New Comparability Plan to meet all Non-Discrimination Testing requirements, specifically the Plan itself, and then each HCE Rate Group. Can the Plan pass the Gateway test and the Ratio % test, but fail the Average Benefits Test and still pass all Non-Discrimination Testing requirements? {1} What about the Plan passes the Gateway Test, Ratio % test, and Average Benefits Test, but one HCE Rate Group fails the Overall Ratio Test? Is this allowed? {2} Thank You in advance. {1} Yes {2} Don't know what the "Overall Ratio Test" is. With 15/17 being NHCE concentration percentage, the mid-point of the safe and unsafe harbors would be a bit less than 25%. Is that what you mean?
J Simmons Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 If average benefit percentage test fails, then each HCE's rate group must pass the 70% ratio percentage test. If the average benefit percentage test had passed, then each HCE's rate group would have to pass the ratio percentage test, but only at the lower, mid-point that depends on the concentration of NHCEs among all tested employees. John Simmons johnsimmonslaw@gmail.com Note to Readers: For you, I'm a stranger posting on a bulletin board. Posts here should not be given the same weight as personalized advice from a professional who knows or can learn all the facts of your situation.
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