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Guest Mike Schwing
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A 12-31-07 plan - deposits $120,000 into the plan for a 2007 profit sharing contribution on 12-28-2007. Because the plan uses participant direction on its contributions the $120k is not allocated to the participants until later in 2008 when the actual determination of who gets what is completed.

For the 2008 top-heavy determination - shouldn't this $120k be included as part of the participant balances as of the 12-31-2007 determination date for 2008 plan year? It is not a profit sharing receivable to the plan at 12-31-07 because it was deposited on 12-28-07.

If $100k of the that 120k is going to go to key employees I don't see how you can't count it as of 12-31-2007 determination date - just becuase you did not have the information to allocate it on that date.

Is this logic correct?

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Hmmm. Seems logical to me, but other readers will have more experience.

But.....for purposes of the TH test, does it matter? Is the plan TH either way?

I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.

Posted

It absolutely has to be included; it's in the plan. And, if more money is deposited later, it highlights the silliness of excluding receivables from TH determination, as the regs were widely misinterpreted to say for a long time. (i.e. you would have to allocate the $120K, do the TH calc, then allocate the rest of the contribution...it's not impossible but it raises questions about whether the first part should be treated as the only contribution or just a pro-rata share of the total).

Ed Snyder

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