ombskid Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 DOL audited employee deferral contribution for 2006 - 2008 and came up with a penalty for late transmittal of $12. Now they have sent a letter recommending filing 5330 so when they send their findings to IRS in Ogden, we will already have filed. For 15% of that $12. Anybody have experience with 5330's for these miniscule amounts? Does IRS really look for small amounts like this? Could we donate to our favorite charity instead?
GBurns Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Yes, they do, but it is not a matter of "miniscule amount", it is a matter of accuracy in reporting and accounting. If you checkbook or trial balance etc was out by $12, wouldn't that be an issue to which you would make an effort to resolve ? If your bank account was overdrawn by $ 1, doesn't your bank make an issue of it and charge you for being overdrawn etc etc ? It is the principle not the amount. George D. Burns Cost Reduction Strategies Burns and Associates, Inc www.costreductionstrategies.com(under construction) www.employeebenefitsstrategies.com(under construction)
austin3515 Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 LEt's say, theoritically, you don't pay this $3 penalty. Let's say further that the IRS hunts you down and threatens all sorts of nasty things if you don't pay the $3 penalty plus the $1.50 of interest plus the $2 of penalties. Wouldn't you just pay it then? Also, I've heard the IRS say publicly that they will NOT pursue trivial amounts like this. As you can imagine, they lose money processing a $3 penalty tax return. There is no formal deminis amount, but I personally won't due one for less than $100 (I warn clients of the risk of course, which I believe to be extremely low). Based on GBurns answer, I'm sure he'll recommend that I be ex-communicated from the pension industry for such a void of principals... Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
Bird Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 A couple of not-necessarily-consistent thoughts- First, the IRS is not going to come looking for your $3 just because the DOL shares information with them. Second, I would pay the money just because I know they don't want it. I would also like to be able to say to the dol later that it was paid. That said, I have no problem with Austin's position. Nothing will ever come of it. Third, I don't understand GBurns' analogies. Ed Snyder
david rigby Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Isn't "small (informally) defined as "$1 or less"? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
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