Guest John Smith Posted November 13, 1998 Posted November 13, 1998 Could you please clarify; If a sponsor abandons a safe harbor plan design at mid year by amending their document to change a matching formula to one that no longer meets the "Basic Matching Formula", then is the plan simply subject to ADP/ACP testing or do they now have a defect similiar to failing to meet a full funding requirement?
LCARUSI Posted November 13, 1998 Posted November 13, 1998 I spoke to Roger Kuehnle. I posed this question: Can a Sponsor abandon safe harbor status in the middle of a plan year due to financial hardship or other substantial reason? The short answer is no. By issuing the notice to participants, the Sponsor is making a commitment for the full year - similar to the commitment made under a money purchase pension plan. Any attempt to manipulate results by having a short plan years and/or changing plan years (or even terminating the Plan in mid year) would be subject to the general anti-abuse language contained in section E of the notice. If a SPonsor has a significant reason to abandon safe harbor status, they would be advised to seek specific advance approval from the IRS, e.g. VCR.
LCARUSI Posted November 13, 1998 Posted November 13, 1998 To John Smith: The later. The gist of the conversation was that mid-year changes are not permitted.
Guest Beth N Posted September 15, 1999 Posted September 15, 1999 An old topic, I know, but I have a small point to confirm-- Even if you can't abandon mid-year, I presume you CAN choose each year whether to apply the safe harbor for the coming year, which is why the notice requirement is stated as a requirement for "each year." So, for drafting purposes, you could have two options - option 1 is old plan w/ resulting ACP/ADP testing, and option 2 is safe harbor plan w/ no testing, which is only effective if ER provides timely notice. Correct?
SoCalActuary Posted September 23, 1999 Posted September 23, 1999 This topic is being asked the IRS by more than one industry source. However, a safe-harbor is a commitment of no more than 4.5% of pay using the match, or 3% for the non-match. The IRS is taking a hard line here, but they think these are small amounts.
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