pixmax Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 A client would like to freeze their Plan instead of terminating it so that participants can continue to pay back loans. Would service for vesting also freeze? Can the employer unfreeze the Plan at a later date if they decided that the company will not go out of business? If so, how do you unfreeze a Plan.
rcline46 Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 I have never understood freezing a 401(k) plan. Why would one want to prevent the employees from contributing, especially if you are letting them pay back loans? Ceasing matching contributons or other employer contributions I understand, but deferrals do not cost the employer anything. Vesting cannot be frozen ever. And if the plan were to terminate everyone is fully vested any way.
Guest Sieve Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 Ceasing to make contributions is considered a full-vesting event, and is the same as termination. 2 or 3 years without any contributions is sufficient for that event to occur, and the termiantin is treated as occurring at the end of the year following the last year with respect to which a substantial contribution was made. (Treas. Reg. Sections 1.401-6(a)(1) & ©.)
pixmax Posted June 1, 2010 Author Posted June 1, 2010 Ceasing to make contributions is considered a full-vesting event, and is the same as termination. 2 or 3 years without any contributions is sufficient for that event to occur, and the termiantin is treated as occurring at the end of the year following the last year with respect to which a substantial contribution was made. (Treas. Reg. Sections 1.401-6(a)(1) & ©.) The client wants the participants to be able to pay on their loans, therefore ceasing the contributions and freezing the Plan. If he terminates the Plan then the loans would become taxable.
david rigby Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 If it's a k-only plan (no ER contributions), then vesting is irrelevant to the discussion. However, if it's k-only, what is the advantage (other than possible savings on admin fees) to a freeze? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Guest Sieve Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 I understand that from your 1st post. I'm simply giving you one of the potential consequences of such an action if there are employer contributions subject to a vesting schedule.
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