BG5150 Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 We were thinking of taking administration fees of around $18 a quarter from the accounts of terminated participants, and the ER will pay for the active accounts. This seems permissible when the fees are taking pro rata, but these are per capita fees. And Rev Rul 2004-10 says it may be acceptable if the fees are taken "on another reasonable basis that complies with...Title I of ERISA." Do you think this would be a reasonable basis? Would it impose a "significant detriment" on a participant? We were planning on cashing out the accounts under $1,000. Only for the account over $1,000 were we planning on taking this fee. Also, there are three accounts whose owners we cannot locate, and have gone through the lost participant procedure; due diligence was done. One account is around $80, another $700 and a third around $4,500. Should we (or the ER) take the time and expense to open IRA's for these people? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Guest Sieve Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 Here's what the DOL says about it: "Accounts of Separated Vested Participants. Some plans, with respect to which the plan sponsor generally pays the administrative expenses of the plan, provide for the assessment of administrative expenses against participants who have separated from employment. In general, it is permissible to charge the reasonable expenses of administering a plan to the individual accounts of the plan's participants and beneficiaries. Nothing in Title I of ERISA limits the ability of a plan sponsor to pay only certain plan expenses or only expenses on behalf of certain plan participants. In the latter case, such payments by a plan sponsor on behalf of certain plan participants are equivalent to the plan sponsor providing an increased benefit to those employees on whose behalf the expenses are paid. Therefore, plans may charge vested separated participant accounts the account's share (e.g., pro rata or per capita) of reasonable plan expenses, without regard to whether the accounts of active participants are charged such expenses and without regard to whether the vested separated participant was afforded the option of withdrawing the funds from his or her account or the option to roll the funds over to another plan or individual retirement account." (Look here: http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fab_2003-3.html) Are these same fees ($72/yr) actually charged to active accounts (even if paid by the employer)? If so, then I think you're ok--if not, then I think you'd have to justify that inactive account necessitate an additional charge.
BG5150 Posted November 9, 2010 Author Posted November 9, 2010 The DoL says you can. So does the IRS. However, only if it does not put a "significant detriment" to the participant (rev rul 2004-10) Does anyone see my scheme as having a significant detriment on the participants? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Guest Sieve Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 If $72/yr. is not "reasonable", then you can't charge it to individual accounts under any circumstances--let alone to terminated participant accounts only. If it is reasonable, then it's not a significant detriment. Of course, reasonableness is not an issue to the extent that the employer pays. I would think that reasonableness depends on the going rate in the marketplace, to some extent--although you might be able to argue that the portion of the charge representing various administrative tests might be unreasonable if charged to accounts that are not representeed in those tests (& if an approximation of the dcost of those tests is possible). What do the TPAs among you think of $72/yr.? If you're a TPA, BG, and you're asking the question, it seems to me that it's unreasaonable in your mind . . .
BG5150 Posted November 9, 2010 Author Posted November 9, 2010 What do the TPAs among you think of $72/yr.? If you're a TPA, BG, and you're asking the question, it seems to me that it's unreasaonable in your mind . . . I'm getting some conflicting advice from some of the "experts" we deal with. (That wasn't meant as a sarcastic reference to experts, they really do know their stuff.) QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Belgarath Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 I don't see this as a "significant detriment" assuming the fees are otherwise "reasonable." The DOL actually provides more flexibility on this issue, I think, than the IRS does. But for anyone who wnats to look at the IRS Revenue Ruling, here it is. Pension Rulings and Other Documents,Rev. Rul. 2004-10, I.R.B. 2004-7, February 17, 2004.,Internal Revenue Service, (Feb. 17, 2004) Defined contribution plans: Allocation of administrative expenses: Employee Benefits Security Administration (EBSA): Consent to distributions.– The IRS has stated that defined contribution plans that charge former employees' accounts a pro rata share of the plan's reasonable administrative expenses without charging those expenses to current employees' accounts do not create a significant detriment and do not fail to satisfy the Reg. §411(a)(11) provisions setting forth restrictions on mandatory distributions. EBSA previously issued guidance on the allocation of administrative expenses among defined contribution plan participants (see ¶19,980E). Back references: ¶1543 and ¶4485. Part I Section 411.—Minimum Vesting Standards 26 CFR 1.411(a)-11: Restriction and valuation of distributions. Rev. Rul. 2004-10 ISSUE Does a defined contribution plan under which the accounts of former employees are charged a pro rata share of the plan's reasonable administrative expenses, but the accounts of current employees are not charged those expenses, fail to satisfy the requirements of §411(a)(11) of the Internal Revenue Code? FACTS Employer X maintains Plan A, a qualified defined contribution plan. Plan A provides that a participant who terminates employment will receive payment of his or her vested account balance under the plan commencing at normal retirement age or, if later, at termination of employment (subject to §401(a)(9), in the case of a 5 percent owner). The plan permits a participant who terminates employment prior to normal retirement age to elect at any time after termination of employment to receive an immediate distribution of the vested account balance. Plan A provides that certain administrative expenses, e.g., investment management fees, are to be allocated to the individual accounts of participants and beneficiaries based upon the ratio of each account balance to the total account balances of all participants and beneficiaries. Plan A further provides that the share of these expenses allocable to each participant's and beneficiary's account will be paid from the plan and charged against the account to the extent not paid by the employer. Employer X pays the portion of these expenses allocable to the accounts of current employees, but not those of former employees or their beneficiaries. All of the administrative expenses are proper plan expenses, within the meaning of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA), and are reasonable with respect to the services to which they relate. LAW AND ANALYSIS Section 411(a)(11)(A) sets forth requirements that must be satisfied with respect to certain distributions in order for a plan to be qualified under §401(a). Under §411(a)(11), if the present value of a participant's nonforfeitable benefit exceeds $5,000, a plan meets the requirements of §411(a)(11) only if the plan provides that the benefit may not be immediately distributable without the consent of the participant. Section 1.411(a)-11©(2)(i) of the Income Tax Regulations provides that consent to a distribution is not valid if, under the plan, a significant detriment is imposed on any participant who does not consent to the distribution. That regulation further provides that whether or not a significant detriment is imposed is determined by the Commissioner by examining the particular facts and circumstances. An allocation of administrative expenses of a defined contribution plan to the individual account of a participant who does not consent to a distribution is not a significant detriment within the meaning of §1.411(a)-11©(2)(i) if that allocation is reasonable and otherwise satisfies the requirements of Title I of ERISA, such as a pro rata allocation. Such an allocation does not impose a detriment so significant as to be inconsistent with the deferral rights mandated by §411(a)(11) because analogous fees would be imposed in the marketplace, either implicitly or explicitly, for a comparable investment outside the plan (e.g., fees charged by an investment manager for an IRA investment). Accordingly, whether or not such expenses are charged to the accounts of current employees, charging such expenses on a pro rata basis to the accounts of former employees is not a significant detriment, within the meaning of §1.411(a)-11©(2)(i), that is imposed on a participant who does not consent to a distribution. On May 19, 2003, the Employee Benefits Security Administration (the EBSA) of the Department of Labor issued Field Assistance Bulletin (FAB) 2003-3 which sets forth guidelines on the allocation of administrative expenses among plan participants in a defined contribution plan. Assuming that the expenses at issue are both proper expenses of the defined contribution plan and reasonable expenses with respect to the services to which they relate, FAB 2003-3 states that, for purposes of Title I of ERISA, certain administrative expenses may be allocated on a pro rata basis and certain administrative expenses may properly be charged to an individual participant rather than allocated among all plan participants. However, not every method of allocating plan expenses is reasonable and a method that is not reasonable could result in a significant detriment. For example, allocating the expenses of active employees pro rata to all accounts, including the accounts of both active and former employees, while allocating the expenses of former employees only to their accounts would not be reasonable since former employees would be bearing more than an equitable portion of the plan's expenses. Accordingly, such an allocation of expenses could be a significant detriment. Taxpayers are also reminded that the allocation of plan expenses must comply with the nondiscrimination rules of §401(a)(4). The method of allocating plan expenses is a plan right or feature described under §1.401(a)(4)-4(e)(3)(i). For example, if, in anticipation of the divorce of a plan participant who is a highly compensated employee, the plan's method of allocating expenses is changed so that the expense of a determination of whether an order constitutes a qualified domestic relations order under §414(p) ceases to be allocated solely to the account of the participant for whom the expense is incurred, but instead is allocated pro rata to all accounts, the timing of such change may cause the plan to fail to satisfy the requirements of §1.401(a)(4)-1(b)(3) and (4) with respect to the nondiscriminatory availability of benefits, rights and features and with respect to the timing of plan amendments. HOLDING Plan A does not fail to satisfy the requirements of §411(a)(11) merely because it charges reasonable plan administrative expenses to the accounts of former employees and their beneficiaries on a pro rata basis, but does not charge the accounts of current employees. Plan A also would not fail to comply with the requirements of §411(a)(11) merely because it charged reasonable plan administrative expenses to the accounts of former employees and their beneficiaries, but not the accounts of current employees, on another reasonable basis that complies with the requirements of Title I of ERISA. DRAFTING INFORMATION The principal author of this revenue ruling is Michael Rubin of the Employee Plans, Tax Exempt and Government Entities Division. For further information regarding this revenue ruling, please contact Employee Plans' taxpayer assistance telephone service at 1-877-829-5500 (a toll-free number) between the hours of 8:00 a.m. and 6:30 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday (a toll free call). Mr. Rubin may be reached at (202) 283-9888 (not a toll-free call).
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