Nassau Posted February 15, 2011 Posted February 15, 2011 If medical expenses for a participant are paid by an employer Health Reimbursement Arrangement or Flexible Spending Account would this be considered a medical expenses for hardship purposes (i.e., the plan following the safe harbor reasons)?
masteff Posted February 15, 2011 Posted February 15, 2011 Before the changes, what, 7 years, 10 years, ago that expanded what's allowable under an FSA, we'd always look to what's allowable as a medical expense on Form 1040 Schedule A. IRS Pub 502 http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p502.pdf It basically is the same as what you're proposing but been in place longer and less likely to change abruptly (e.g., the recent exclusion of non-prescription medications from FSAs). (Actually, the change some years ago to the FSA rules was to effectively expand FSAs to cover anything that's allowable on 1040 Sch A; seems like it was a tax court ruling but I'm too lazy to look it up right now .) Kurt Vonnegut: 'To be is to do'-Socrates 'To do is to be'-Jean-Paul Sartre 'Do be do be do'-Frank Sinatra
Guest Sieve Posted February 15, 2011 Posted February 15, 2011 Would reimbursement from an HSA or cafe plan be considered "reimbursement" such that the employer, knowing the source of the payment of medical expenses, cannot rely on the employee's representation--and the employee cannot properly make a representation--that the distribution does not exceed the amount of the need? (Treas. Reg. Section 1.401(k)-1(d)(3)(iv)©(1).)
masteff Posted February 15, 2011 Posted February 15, 2011 Sorry, I was thinking type of expense. Sieve, I'd agree w/ you that to the extent you know it's been reimbursed by an FSA/HRA then it would NOT be hardship eligible. But... given HIPPA privacy rules, an administrator needs to be very careful about what's known and how it's known. Kurt Vonnegut: 'To be is to do'-Socrates 'To do is to be'-Jean-Paul Sartre 'Do be do be do'-Frank Sinatra
Guest Sieve Posted February 15, 2011 Posted February 15, 2011 Agreed. Of course, you can request the information (i.e., require an EOB) in order for a participant to obtain a medical hardship distribution and, if it's given voluntarily, then it's not a HIPAA violation. Of course, if you don't request specific documentation (such as an EOB), then you can't prevent an employee from telling a mistruth (!) about whether the expense has been reimbursed. If it's a medical expense that is deductible (i.e., meets the requriements of IRC 213(d)), then it can be requested as a hardship distribution, but a particular FSA/HSA may not be drafted so broadly.
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