John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 A plan sponsor wants to write the plan to exclude employees that continue to work part-time less than 20 hours per week after retirement. Is this a potential age discrimination violation? They also want to exclude a class of employees who are hired for a contracted defined period of time of less than 1 year. Problems with that?
Tom Poje Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 well, if the plan is not top heavy, someone who works less than 20 hours a week probably wont work 1000 hours, so if the plan has a 1000 hours alloaction requirement they won't receive anything anyway, though they could possibly hurt testing because they are includable and not benefiting. If the hours are less than 500 hours a year, then conceivably they would have a break in service, and therefore could become ineligible if the plan is not using rule of parity. of course that doesn't really work with a 401k - even the IRS indicated you can't really operate a 401(k) under conditions like that. if someone never works a 1000 hours then not sure how they would ever enter the plan with a 1 year wait, so I guess it depends on how many hours the contracted workers will have
QNPG Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 A plan sponsor wants to write the plan to exclude employees that continue to work part-time less than 20 hours per week after retirement. Is this a potential age discrimination violation?They also want to exclude a class of employees who are hired for a contracted defined period of time of less than 1 year. Problems with that? If the contracted employees are paid by 1099, they would be ineligible to participate. Is that possible? "Great thoughts reduced to practice become great acts." William Hazlitt CPC, QPA, QKA, ERPA, APA
BG5150 Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 As for the contracted employees: as long as you have a definitely definable class of people you want to exclude you can, as long as you are passing your coverage tests. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 Thanks. The plan has a short eligibility requirement now, so I think the contracted people will be alright as excluded during that time, especially since the employer just indicated that they let them enter if they kept them empliyed after 1 year. But, excluding someone who semi-retires, but who has been eligible still concerns me. They change to part-time in order to semi-retire - isn't that an age disrimination issue since it would only affect older employees?
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 Perhaps the problem is that "retiree" is not a job classification, and so a simple change by reduction in hours does not and cannot undo their eligibility for the plan?
GMK Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 a simple change by reduction in hours does not and cannot undo their eligibility for the plan? I think that's right. Once a participant, always a participant, as they say. Even if everybody working less than 20 hours per week is excluded (at least prospectively), they probably couldn't be kept out if they got 1000 hours in a year. It may help in defending that the exclusion of part-timers is not based on age if in practice the positions where an employee can work less than 20 hours a week are available/offered to persons under age 40, not just older employees. In addition, employees can waive their age rights, but I'd get an attorney's advice before doing that.
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