Scuba 401 Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 if an employee dies and they find the form in the employees desk is it valid. the plan says it needs to be filed with the plan administrator.
mbozek Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 if an employee dies and they find the form in the employees desk is it valid. the plan says it needs to be filed with the plan administrator. Q1- Who would be the beneficiary in the form found in the employee's desk? Q2-Who would be the beneficiary if the form in the desk is not valid? mjb
masteff Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 the plan says it needs to be filed with the plan administrator. What part of the form being in the employee's desk constitutes being filed w/ the plan admin? How do you if the participant hadn't simply changed his mind prior to filing it and failed to destroy that form? Is a deceased participant capable of filing a document w/ the plan admin? This is the exact scenario for why the plan has that language: to prevent competing claims based on unfiled bene forms. Do not go against your plan document just because it's a sad story of who will or will not get benefits. The participant had a duty to properly file that form and you can't perform that duty for him now. If anyone questions it, then you copy that page of the plan text, use a yellow highlighter to mark the "on file" clause and tell them "sorry". You might use this opportunity to review your bene form and instructions and make sure they specify that a designation isn't valid until it's been filed. I think we used the phrase "received and accepted on the proper form" (which probably came from the plan doc). EDIT: divorce and remarriage might be the scenario where I'd second guess what I just wrote. In which case you invoke the spousal waiver requirement and use the plan default which is typically the current spouse. Kurt Vonnegut: 'To be is to do'-Socrates 'To do is to be'-Jean-Paul Sartre 'Do be do be do'-Frank Sinatra
Scuba 401 Posted August 18, 2011 Author Posted August 18, 2011 the plan says it needs to be filed with the plan administrator. What part of the form being in the employee's desk constitutes being filed w/ the plan admin? How do you if the participant hadn't simply changed his mind prior to filing it and failed to destroy that form? Is a deceased participant capable of filing a document w/ the plan admin? This is the exact scenario for why the plan has that language: to prevent competing claims based on unfiled bene forms. Do not go against your plan document just because it's a sad story of who will or will not get benefits. The participant had a duty to properly file that form and you can't perform that duty for him now. If anyone questions it, then you copy that page of the plan text, use a yellow highlighter to mark the "on file" clause and tell them "sorry". You might use this opportunity to review your bene form and instructions and make sure they specify that a designation isn't valid until it's been filed. I think we used the phrase "received and accepted on the proper form" (which probably came from the plan doc). EDIT: divorce and remarriage might be the scenario where I'd second guess what I just wrote. In which case you invoke the spousal waiver requirement and use the plan default which is typically the current spouse. i am in agreement. just wanted to elicit other opinions. i am going to add language to the form as well.
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