Guest Lane Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Are students (of a plan sponsor university) excludable employees for 410(b) coverage testing purposes when testing matching and other employer contributions? I find no support in the Code or regs for this, but I've read uncited commentary indicating you can exclude students and disregard them for coverage testing purposes. I understand they are excludable for universal availability, but don't find the same exclusion for employer contribution testing. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETA Consulting LLC Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Typically, they work less than 1000 hours per year or they're less than age 21, so they'll be excluded. Good Luck! CPC, QPA, QKA, TGPC, ERPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ebgroup Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Are students (of a plan sponsor university) excludable employees for 410(b) coverage testing purposes when testing matching and other employer contributions? I find no support in the Code or regs for this, but I've read uncited commentary indicating you can exclude students and disregard them for coverage testing purposes.I understand they are excludable for universal availability, but don't find the same exclusion for employer contribution testing. Thanks Check 1.403(b)-5(a)(3), you will have to follow all the cross references, there may be a separate test for that group, but it should answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lane Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Thank you. I had not seen that reference. It seems strange that they include the sentence regarding exclusion of these employees in a paragraph titled "Compensation for testing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbozek Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Are students (of a plan sponsor university) excludable employees for 410(b) coverage testing purposes when testing matching and other employer contributions? I find no support in the Code or regs for this, but I've read uncited commentary indicating you can exclude students and disregard them for coverage testing purposes.I understand they are excludable for universal availability, but don't find the same exclusion for employer contribution testing. Thanks There is a flush paragraph at then end of IRC 403(b)(12)(A) which excludes students who are employed by the college from requirements of subparagraph A. See last sentence of paragraph. mjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgarath Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I have always found this issue a little convoluted. Specifically regarding 410(b) coverage testing on a 501(c)(3) ERISA 403(b) plan that includes employer contributions: If I understand this correctly, if you have the "less than 20 hour per week exclusion" these employees are also disregarded for coverage testing on the employer contribution. For example, 6 NHC employees, one is excluded under the 20 hour exclusion - when determining the coverage testing group under 410(b), this person is excluded, so there would only be 5 NHC to consider for the 401(b) testing. Of course, if they ever work 1000 hours, then they move out of this excluded class and would then be considered. Comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin C Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Belgarath, What are the eligibility requirements for the other employees? 1.403(b)-5(a)(1) says that employer contributions in a 403(b) are subject to 410(b) in the same manner as a qualified plan under 401(a). 1.410(b)-6(b)(2) addresses what happens if there are multiple age/service requirements. They are only excludable if they fail to satisfy all of the different age/service requirements in the plan. I would consider the <20 hour per week exclusion as an age/service requirement. For example, if the >20 hour per week people are immediately eligible for the employer contribution, I read this as saying the <20 hour people are not excluded from the 410(b) test. If they are not excludable employees, I would expect most, if not all of the <20 hour per week people to be in the otherwise excludable group that can be tested separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgarath Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Ah, thanks for the clarification. I don't have plan in mind - I was browsing through the 403(b) forum re another question, and happened upon this thread. But I'm glad I asked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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