John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Under §1.411(d)-3(g)(6)(i), the term early retirement benefit means the right, under the terms of a plan, to commence distribution of a retirement-type benefit at a particular date after severance from employment with the employer and before normal retirement age (emphasis added). If a PS plan has an in-service distribution option at age 55, can this be amended to age 59.5 for all existing balances without violating 411(d)(6)?
david rigby Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 IMHO, no. The plan participant has a right to a particular benefit at a particular point in time. 411d6 applies. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted June 12, 2013 Author Posted June 12, 2013 I am of the same opinion, but after a very brief limited search for a code/reg/otherwise that confirms this, I took the Benefitslink shortcut to ask. I will search further next week.
masteff Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Or is this one of those things that since I'm not 55+ then you can take it from me, but if Mary is over 55, then you have to let her keep the option (so 4.5 years to age out the option entirely)? Kurt Vonnegut: 'To be is to do'-Socrates 'To do is to be'-Jean-Paul Sartre 'Do be do be do'-Frank Sinatra
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted June 12, 2013 Author Posted June 12, 2013 I think this might fall under 411(d)(6) protection under the optional forms section (just a starting point to look into further). §1.411(d)-4. Q-1: A-1: (3)(b) Optional forms of benefit (1) In general. The term optional form of benefit has the same meaning as in §1.411(d)-3(g)(6)(ii). Under this definition, different optional forms of benefit exist if a distribution alternative is not payable on substantially the same terms as another distribution alternative. Thus, for example, different optional forms of benefit may result from differences in terms relating to the payment schedule, timing, commencement, medium of distribution (e.g., in cash or in kind), election rights, differences in eligibility requirements, or the portion of the benefit to which the distribution alternative applies.
Trekker Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 In Reg. 1.411(d)-4, Q&A-2(b) - I lost track of the subparagraph and sub, sub, sub section numbers, but it is "(ix) De minimis change in the timing of an optional form of benefit." Seems to say you can only change the timing if the optional form is available within 6 months of the time it was available prior to the amendment. Not sure if this is on point but thought I'd share.
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted August 13, 2013 Author Posted August 13, 2013 Very useful, yes - thanks!
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