austin3515 Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 So someone just blew my mind. Is it true that if 2 501c3's are under common control (in fact in my case, it's a parent subsidiary situation) that you do not have to have both organizations covered by the plan? In other words, universal availability applies only to each entity completely independently? Would just regular coverage apply, or does that even apply? Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
Peter Gulia Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Before thinking about how the universal-availability and coverage rules apply, how confident are you that the two charitable organizations really are under common control? Because charities don't have stock or ownership rights to look to in evaluating control, the section 1.414©-5 regulations look to whether 80% of the governing body of an organization are "representatives of" the other organization. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
austin3515 Posted April 11, 2014 Author Posted April 11, 2014 The 2nd entity is a subsidiary. Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
PensionPro Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 The IRS has clarified that UA applies to each common law entity separately rather than grouping controlled groups together. However you do consider controlled groups for other purposes such as 415(c ), 401(a)(9), HCE determination, 15-year catch-up. PensionPro, CPC, TGPC
austin3515 Posted April 11, 2014 Author Posted April 11, 2014 I spoke with Corbel and they said the only nondiscrimination/coverage requirements that apply to 403b is universal availability, and that is applied to each entity separately. So you can have all your HCE;s in entity 1 covered by a 403b and all your NHCE's in entity 2 with no 403b and that would not be a problem. Of course I assume each entity has to employ it's own true employees so I'm sure if this outcome was arbitrary each individual entity would be jeopardizing its TE status. In other words your entity structure presumably has to be tied to operations. Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
PensionPro Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Assuming you are only talking about employee elective deferrals? PensionPro, CPC, TGPC
austin3515 Posted April 11, 2014 Author Posted April 11, 2014 yes, my post could have been more clear on that point. Just ED's. It occurred to me that why I am so surprised by this fact is because the darn thing is referred to as "UNIVERSAL availability." Talk about a misnomer. It should have been called "galaxy cluster" availability. Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
Carol V. Calhoun Posted April 14, 2014 Posted April 14, 2014 IRS confirms that "Universal availability ... applies to each common-law entity separately rather than grouping controlled groups together." Employee benefits legal resource site The opinions of my postings are my own and do not necessarily represent my law firm's position, strategies, or opinions. The contents of my postings are offered for informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice. A visit to this board or an exchange of information through this board does not create an attorney-client relationship. You should consult directly with an attorney for individual advice regarding your particular situation. I am not your lawyer under any circumstances.
Belgarath Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 If you want a citation, see 1.403(b)-5(b)(3)(i). I don't have any experience actually using this - seems like it could be a pain ignoring the CG for this purpose yet having to pass nondiscrimination on an overall basis. But I suppose if you had deferral only plan, or maybe in the right census situation, it could be useful. Hopefully I'll never have to deal with it!
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