Andy the Actuary Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 For the past 18 years I received a monthly pension from Towers Watson, which used to be Towers Perrin, which used to be TPF&C, which gobbled up my roots at Tillinghast, Nelson & Warren. Now, I get this "thing" called an "Annual Funding Notice." It tells me the company should have contributed $125 million in 2013. They didn't tell me what they contributed, but gee, $125 million is a lot of billable hours. Oh, I turn to page 2 and it shows assets of $2.2 billion and liabilities of $1.8 billion. So, I feel somewhat comforted. Then, I see some credit balances of about $450 million. I wonder what they are. Obviously, something bad because they're subtracting them from the assets. Is $450 million a debt the Plan owes? Does the Plan not really have enough assets? Is my robust monthly pension of $115.05 secure or do I need to make other provisions for my retirement. In any event, I'm certainly pleased that Congress forces TW to set the record straight for me so that my former employer does not hide the precarious shape the Plan is in. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
Peter Gulia Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 What about requesting the plan's whole actuarial valuation report, so you can read all the assumptions for yourself? (Or am I missing the humor in something you already understand?) Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
david rigby Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 Sorry Peter. You are missing the humor. Andy is pointing out the the annual funding notice (supposedly an "upgrade" required by PPA) provides more (raw) information than the SAR it replaced, but less useful information. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
My 2 cents Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 Not that the SAR was all that useful for defined benefit plans! Always check with your actuary first!
Andy the Actuary Posted May 2, 2014 Author Posted May 2, 2014 The AFN is far more useful than the SAR. With it, you can cover the bottom of the bird cage for 7 days rather than just one. david rigby 1 The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
Tom Poje Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 while true, you might raise the anger of animal rights groups who would pity the poor animal having to read that stuff.
Andy the Actuary Posted May 2, 2014 Author Posted May 2, 2014 Hadn't thought of that. Better place the paper print side down so that the birds may use it for the intended purpose. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
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